Unedited conversations between artist in a productive critique discovering thesis and processes behind the work.
FOLLOW US @WORKUNTITLED_MAG
Photography Series,2005- 2015
RAMOS: hi Marilyn
thank you for joining us again - it's been exactly one year
and back then were also talking about Zines
RONDON: time flies!
RAMOS: tell me about this year's Basel plans
RONDON: this year i decided to be a bit more low-key than last year. I'm not exhibiting any work, Instead I've decided to co-curate a zine stand at showroom gallery, a new gallery in wynwood - the gallery is launching during basel but will be around for the following 5 months after basel
i might also dj a few events but nothing locked in yet, i'd like to actually look at art this year vs. focusing attention on myself and my work, thats what next year is for
RAMOS: tell me more about the zine stand at showroom gallery
RONDON: I contacted basically artist whose work i admire that have been making zines for years. we have over 50 artists including names like Cali Dewitt, Peter Sutherland, Heavytime books, Nina Hartmann.. I'm super excited about it.
My last year in New York I worked at "the Newsstand" it was a zine stand located at the Metropolitain/ Lorimer stop in Brooklyn off the L and G trains and became very involved in the zine community and made these contacts while I was there.
I learned a ton about self-publishing and different ways to approach showing work as an artist, I feel super fortunate to have been a part of that project.
It actually just got recreated at the MoMa in NY, super excited for Lele and the rest of the 8ball zine gang that has an opportunity to be a part of something so wonderful.
RAMOS: it really is
what is your favorite part about zines?
RONDON: everything, making work that I get to dictate 100% and have total creative freedom over. My zines are pure 100% my vision and I love sharing
it with people.
it inspires people
anyone can make zines
thats what its about
sharing your creative vision with friends and fans
RAMOS: you can do that online... why is the physical object so special?
RONDON: for that reason exactly, everything is so quick to be put online, with zines you share your work in a tangible form. I like making my zines in small runs/ limited editions, it makes it more special, intimate with the collector
RAMOS: i completely agree - there is also something very informal and timeless
plus i always fear the Internet is going to disappear some day
and print is far from dead
i say the same thing about film
which is why i refuse to ever buy a digital camera
RAMOS: that makes sense
in a way zines are like little films
every page is a frame to a gesture or narrative
and the user controls the speed
you can make zines in editions of 10-1000
its entirely up to the artist
that freedom is so important while making art I feel
RAMOS: right - they become precious objects
and if you are a fan of the artist then it very special because it is personal
RONDON: you choose the capacity you want you work to be viewed at. I can post a million photos of the zines i've made online, but I know for "dat ass", I only make them in edition of 69 and if you didn't buy one, too bad. it's not being re created
RAMOS: dam i should have kept that copy i gave to Sugar ...
RAMOS: I know you are working on a book
and you don't have to talk about it if it is not ready to talk about
RONDON: yes mam
RAMOS: but what is the difference between a book and a zine?
RONDON: well! I got a copywrite on it, and have a few offers on the table by a couple of publishers
I am so happy to say that
i've been working on my book for over 3 years and to reach this stage is a goal come to reality and I am incredibly proud of myself
the difference between my book and any zine I've made is that I will have no control over the amount of copies made, I want it to go global
if i can make millions of books great
if i only make thousands great
with publishing a book through a publisher vs self publishing, is they do a lot of the heavy work. and you split the profit
vs with zine production, its mainly a labor of love and if you break even thats an accomplishment
so theres also a level of detail in a book
because once it is out, you can't change it
as opposed to a zine that can be altered and reprinted
RONDON: exactly, which is a really scary thought but with this book in particular, it was such a labor of love and I took the amount of time I did with it that it's literally perfect, my potential publishers want to publish it as is, which is rare, usually publishers will make you change everything around. I get to keep my creative integrity and make a product that i've envisioned
i am so thrilled, I literally am dying to make it public already lol
RAMOS: are you allowed to share one of the spreads with us?
RONDON: not yet, it's still too soon... i wishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
RAMOS: got it
RONDON: making a book for children, I will add, is not as easy as it sounds. I've wanted to make a children's book since I was a child, this is literally a dream come true.
RAMOS: i will disclose that i've had a glance and it is amazing... i can't wait to have one
RONDON: cant wait to give you one!
RAMOS: so then lets talk about Basel
tell me more about showroom gallery and what we can expect in the next few moths
RONDON: the gallery is also hosting my first photo exhibit, I've been shooting since I was a child, and I am really excited to show my work in a gallery setting. I usually show my art so to show my photography is different.
new for me
also a reason I decided to not really do much for basel was for that reason exactly
I've been shooting more than ever
RAMOS: oh you mentioned earlier you weren't showing any work!
photography is work
RONDON: well the photo show is next year
RAMOS: ohhh gotcha
well since we are talking about it... can you share one with us?'
RONDON: a photo?
RONDON: i just got back 10 rolls of film!
id love to lol
how do i attach a photo on gchat lol?
"nothing was the same"
Photography Series,2005- 2015
RAMOS: oh wow
RAMOS: does that young man have your flower tattooed on his leg?
RONDON: yup, i tattooed it on him
that is a very personal picture
RONDON: hahhah yea, most of them are, thats why im a bit nervous about showing my photography, it's super personal, and sexual
RAMOS: i am a bit lost for words, which is a good thing
RONDON: hahahhaha yesss! i like shock value, i think it's good to shock people
RAMOS: the blood definitely has a shocking impression at first
and it is very loaded with discomfort and beauty
RONDON: well the crazy thing about this photo is he's also wearing a red condom, which you wouldn't know if i hadn't told you
RONDON: thats kinda why i even took the photo
i was like woooooooooah siiiiiick lol
RAMOS: right... i thought it was all blood
RONDON: just happened to be good timing i suppose, disposable right next to me
RAMOS: i think it is a great picture
nobody wants to stop having sex when periods come around
RONDON: he was also my boyfriend and he took crazy, i mean finger in my ass kinda crazy photos of me too so i felt i wasn't really crossing boundaries when i took it
RAMOS: he seems really comfortable in the shot
RONDON: he was as much a pervert as me
RAMOS: that is important
RONDON: yea, i guess it just took me longer to admit
RAMOS: there is a bit of a stigma when it comes to women and perversion
women and masturbation
RONDON: i mean, what would people think! im taking photos like that but also writing a children's book... do i need that kind of judgment?
i feel like men have created those stigmas
or society as a whole
who knows, its absurd in my opinion
RAMOS: yes... and i don't know why... i can't put my finger on it
must be a control thing
keep us under control
before we end... i want to know about a few specific zines i should check out during Basel
give me a brief on your top three
RONDON: haven't received any yet... im excited to see what people have been working on though!
the deadline for zines is next Saturday which means everyone is going to contact me on Friday asking for an extension..... artists lol
RAMOS: got it... cutting it close
do you foresee making a zine of your photography?
RONDON: yea! but i think actually a book