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Olivia Ramos

Four Dimensions, 2015

Oil on Canvas

34 x 44 in.

RAMOS:  ‪The piece is called "Four Dimensions" and it is Oil on Canvas 34x44in.

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MILLETT:  ‪tell me about the title

 

RAMOS:  ‪sure.

 

Exploring my perception of the different dimensions I have access to.

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There's the 3rd dimension, which most people's realities are lived - confined by man-made structures that guide both physical and spiritual energies

 

then the 4th dimension, some people have access to, which allows some flexibility in the boundaries

 

the 5th dimensions, a system of conscious energies, without confinements or hierarchies, that share information

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and the 6th dimensions, which is mostly inaccessible to me, but I can imagine as amorphous and undefined by systems

 

MILLETT:  ‪thats a mouthful‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪right?‬‬

 

‪i guess i can describe them in a simpler way:

 

(3rd) normal people, (4th) spiritual people, (5th) spirits or masters, and (6th) God

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MILLETT:  ‪and how do relate to this painting?‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪the 3rd dimension, or normal people, are at the center of the circle... depicted by a rigid grid.

 

The 4th dimension, or spiritual people, are the next outer layer of the circle and the grid is now distorted and therefore less rigid.

 

The 5th dimension, or the spirit world are those concentric circles that link to one another.

 

And the 6th dimension, or God is at the corners of the canvas.‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪a map?‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪sure‬‬

 

i am comfortable with that

 

a map of energies and how they work in each dimension

 

MILLETT:  ‪its very spatial‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪yes, it is very much a map...

 

i did not think of it as such until you said it‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪your a cartographer of spiritual dimensions?‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪ya!‬‬

 

wish i could put that on my resume

 

MILLETT:  ‪i'm sure it will be somewhere‬‬

 

soon

so...i feel like this was kinda intuitive, its beginnings as a work

 

is that fair?

 

RAMOS:  ‪absolutely - had no idea it would be this when i started‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪and now it seems you have something that is functional‬‬

 

and

 

structured

 

‬‬RAMOS:  ‪yes - i can see that - sort of makes me want to explore beyond the map‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪i think its great, it wasn't negative, just an observation of your path to discovery‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪oh i didn't take it as a negativism at all - the map is very useful, couldn't be anything else without it‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪why do think, or is it even, necessary for such a map?‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪just like floor plans are necessary to understand a building

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it is a way of organizing an experience of a space without overwhelming information intake

 

it is a way of removing the thing from the experience of the thing

 

not sure if that makes sense

 

MILLETT:  ‪understandable‬‬

 

is it successful?

 

RAMOS:  ‪it makes me very uncomfortable but it allows me to move forward‬‬

it is not an end but a means to a process

 

a beginning to a new beginning

 

and in that sense yes, i would say it is successful

 

MILLETT:  ‪uncomfortable how?

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RAMOS:  ‪part of me looks at it and thinks "this is ugly" but i like it anyway

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it's as if it didn't matter because it has so much information for me

 

MILLETT:  ‪i think it works, compositionally and aesthetically

 

i think its important for you to develop works that functions in some capacity

 

and this definitely takes a big step in that direction

 

RAMOS:  ‪i agree - this reminds me of some of the work I did a few years back with tape on paper‬‬

 

except with a lot more variables

 

and using intangible data - which i really enjoy

 

i think that work back then was "functional"

 

and somehow, when i started painting, i lost that - as if for me, painting couldn't be functional

 

and in a way, i have trouble identifying with this piece as a painting

because it's functional

 

MILLETT:  ‪well i say functional because it operates on numerous conceptual levels, has content, is educative in some fashion..

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less like the functional-nes of a machine

 

maybe i'm using the wrong word

 

but it works and seems like you have a good vision on how to move forward

 

did i make any sense there?‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪yes - i think functional is a great word

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moving forward I'd like to explore the map at different scales and at the same time i'd like to move away from the map at this scale

 

i don't want to move away from functional when i move away from the map

as if allowing the map to work with a sense of gravity

 

not sure if that makes sense

 

literally exploding the map

 

MILLETT:  ‪gotcha

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i think people would want to see that

 

RAMOS:  ‪with your help, i think i've found something i can call my own‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪ha‬‬

 

i think its great discovery and direction to move forward in

 

how you do it will be up too you, there's so much content within the work

 

RAMOS:  ‪well content is endless ... i was searching for a language‬‬

 

MILLETT:  ‪yes i mean this relates to a lot of things you have done in the past‬‬

but its more crystallized in some sense

 

and

 

you are allowing the audience inside th work, i.e. the development of your own language

 

RAMOS:  ‪can't express how grateful i am for this process with you... was just looking at some past conversations... I could have gotten stuck copying Bacon‬‬

 

that would have sucked

 

MILLETT:  ‪its hard to see how to get some somewhere when your inside it, or consumed by it‬‬

 

def woulda sucked

 

RAMOS:  ‪you described WU perfectly there on that last sentence

 

MILLETT:  ‪that was good nice work‬‬

 

RAMOS: ‬‬so glad i took suggestions

 

MILLETT:  ‪yea i guess your not a stubborn brat when you paint‬‬