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Olivia Ramos

Untitled, 2015

Oil on Canvas

34 x 44 in.

Ramos:  ‪are you going to ask if I'm waiting for you?‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪I was waiting for you‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪yeah that's what i thought‬‬

 

what is your initial reaction?

 

Millett:  ‪hold on‬‬

 

size, medium? etc

 

Ramos:  ‪34" x 44"‬‬, Oil on Canvas

 

two female buildings surrounded by male buildings

 

female buildings creating sustainable ecosystem

 

Millett:  ‪title?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪no title‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪is it finished or in process?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪it is finished‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪gotcha‬‬

 

im gonna bring up the other painting on my computer, the one we spoke of last month

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‪ok‬‬

 

ready?

 

Ramos:  ‬‬shoot

 

Millett:  ‬‬you said this one is two female buildings creating a sustainable ecosystem..

 

do you think that is apparent and should it be?

 

Ramos:  ‪well each one is a separate ecosystem

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no i don't think it has to be apparent

 

but the information is there

 

Millett:  ‪so how does the viewer have any context to process what he or she is viewing?

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Ramos:  ‪other than reading this conversation... not much

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and that's ok

 

for me the viewer can see the male dominated field of buildings and the contrasting female figures with green pedestal and underground aquifer or water collection or blue something

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Millett:  ‪ok‬‬

 

two things:

 

‪if you didn't paint the male and female genitals would it still convey that?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪you see female genitals?

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that is a good questions - no you probably couldn't tell

 

and maybe it wouldn't matter too much

 

Millett:  ‪so what matters then?‬‬

 

‪if everything is so ambiguous and amorphous what should I hold on too or learn, engage in?‬‬

 

Ramos: there is a contrast between the field and the figure

 

making the figure special somehow

 

you engage with the difference between the two

 

perhaps without knowing why

 

Millett:  ‪is this painting for you or for the world?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪does it matter?‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪it does

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all your answers are ambiguous, general..'it can be anything' etc..

 

Ramos:  ‪ok then‬‬

 

let's say this is for me

 

and it doest really matter to me what the world sees in it

 

if they identify then great

 

Millett:  ‪if this is for the world, and I think it is, you need to convey your message or position without being strictly representational

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Ramos:  ‪what do you mean?‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪you told me this painting was  female buildings surrounded by male building etc‬‬

 

and thats exactly what you painted

 

Ramos:  ‪i was describing the painting... or rather what you were looking at

 

should i have said... "it is a piece on the ability for the female organism to produce resources"

 

Millett:  ‪no‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪why not‬‬?

 

would you still consider it representational?

 

i'm trying to understand how i can be less representational

 

i am interested in that exactly

 

Millett:  ‪ha‬‬

 

i'd say paint a female building or male building without painting:

 

1- a building

2- male or female genitals

 

Ramos:  ‪ok‬‬

 

i will try that

 

Millett:  ‪but look‬‬

 

‪what I'm really getting at is you have this strong position something you believe in.. then you produce a painting.. but then

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you are indifferent to what people think of it or how they view it

 

that doesn't make sense

 

Ramos:  ‪what does that have to do with representation?‬‬

 

i have no control over how people think

 

Millett:  ‪so why produce a painting? will you hang it in a closet so no one can see it?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪no‬‬

 

i want people to see it but perhaps not be so controlling over what they get out of it

 

isn't that what non-representational is going towards anyway?

 

Millett:  ‪i understand the first part and agree, but you control everything that goes onto the canvas, no?

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Ramos:  ‪well not really‬‬

 

that's why i didn't sketch this time as you suggested in January

 

i didn't imagine it would look like this

 

and in a way that's why this is for me

 

because it allows me to see my own thoughts and emotions

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Millett:  ‪gotcha thats understandable‬‬

 

so

 

Ramos:  ‪yes‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪yes what?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪you said "so"‬‬

 

yes = giving you the word

 

Millett:  ‪ah‬‬

 

im being harsh because i feel like you are tippy-toeing around what you truly want to paint, discover and engage with

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Ramos:  ‪i don't think you are being harsh

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besides - how else will i get there?

 

Millett:  ‪and, i believe that it is for the world and not for just you‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪is not just for me

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i don't think it has to be one or the other

 

Millett:  ‪i agree but i think it needs work

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this word i think will help:

 

conveyance

 

how can you convey your position, via paint, without being representational

 

Millett:  ‪agree, disagree?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪absolutely agree‬‬

 

it is beyond me how that can be done, at this very moment, but that is why it is also exciting to try

 

Millett:  ‪definition of conveyance - the action or process of transporting someone or something from one place to another

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Ramos:  ‪yes - like teleporting‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪yup‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪teleporting my thoughts

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Millett:  ‪you are the the filter or medium that these things flow through

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Ramos:  ‪i gotta stop controlling the message then‬‬

 

Millett:  ‪and let the material be a material..let it behave on its own sometimes.....paint is tactile, fluid

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let it be your friend

 

Ramos:  ‪i seem to have control issues with my friends

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and need to let them be

 

Millett:  ‪ha yes‬‬

 

i mean aesthetically the painting works

 

i just feel it has unforeseen potential

 

to move forward‬‬