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Oil on Canvas
34 x 44 in.
Ramos: are you going to ask if I'm waiting for you?
Millett: I was waiting for you
Ramos: yeah that's what i thought
what is your initial reaction?
Millett: hold on
size, medium? etc
Ramos: 34" x 44", Oil on Canvas
two female buildings surrounded by male buildings
female buildings creating sustainable ecosystem
Ramos: no title
Millett: is it finished or in process?
Ramos: it is finished
im gonna bring up the other painting on my computer, the one we spoke of last month
Millett: you said this one is two female buildings creating a sustainable ecosystem..
do you think that is apparent and should it be?
Ramos: well each one is a separate ecosystem
no i don't think it has to be apparent
but the information is there
Millett: so how does the viewer have any context to process what he or she is viewing?
Ramos: other than reading this conversation... not much
and that's ok
for me the viewer can see the male dominated field of buildings and the contrasting female figures with green pedestal and underground aquifer or water collection or blue something
if you didn't paint the male and female genitals would it still convey that?
Ramos: you see female genitals?
that is a good questions - no you probably couldn't tell
and maybe it wouldn't matter too much
Millett: so what matters then?
if everything is so ambiguous and amorphous what should I hold on too or learn, engage in?
Ramos: there is a contrast between the field and the figure
making the figure special somehow
you engage with the difference between the two
perhaps without knowing why
Millett: is this painting for you or for the world?
Ramos: does it matter?
Millett: it does
all your answers are ambiguous, general..'it can be anything' etc..
Ramos: ok then
let's say this is for me
and it doest really matter to me what the world sees in it
if they identify then great
Millett: if this is for the world, and I think it is, you need to convey your message or position without being strictly representational
Ramos: what do you mean?
Millett: you told me this painting was female buildings surrounded by male building etc
and thats exactly what you painted
Ramos: i was describing the painting... or rather what you were looking at
should i have said... "it is a piece on the ability for the female organism to produce resources"
Ramos: why not?
would you still consider it representational?
i'm trying to understand how i can be less representational
i am interested in that exactly
i'd say paint a female building or male building without painting:
1- a building
2- male or female genitals
i will try that
Millett: but look
what I'm really getting at is you have this strong position something you believe in.. then you produce a painting.. but then
you are indifferent to what people think of it or how they view it
that doesn't make sense
Ramos: what does that have to do with representation?
i have no control over how people think
Millett: so why produce a painting? will you hang it in a closet so no one can see it?
i want people to see it but perhaps not be so controlling over what they get out of it
isn't that what non-representational is going towards anyway?
Millett: i understand the first part and agree, but you control everything that goes onto the canvas, no?
Ramos: well not really
that's why i didn't sketch this time as you suggested in January
i didn't imagine it would look like this
and in a way that's why this is for me
because it allows me to see my own thoughts and emotions
Millett: gotcha thats understandable
Millett: yes what?
Ramos: you said "so"
yes = giving you the word
im being harsh because i feel like you are tippy-toeing around what you truly want to paint, discover and engage with
Ramos: i don't think you are being harsh
besides - how else will i get there?
Millett: and, i believe that it is for the world and not for just you
Ramos: is not just for me
i don't think it has to be one or the other
Millett: i agree but i think it needs work
this word i think will help:
how can you convey your position, via paint, without being representational
Millett: agree, disagree?
Ramos: absolutely agree
it is beyond me how that can be done, at this very moment, but that is why it is also exciting to try
Millett: definition of conveyance - the action or process of transporting someone or something from one place to another
Ramos: yes - like teleporting
Ramos: teleporting my thoughts
Millett: you are the the filter or medium that these things flow through
Ramos: i gotta stop controlling the message then
Millett: and let the material be a material..let it behave on its own sometimes.....paint is tactile, fluid
let it be your friend
Ramos: i seem to have control issues with my friends
and need to let them be
Millett: ha yes
i mean aesthetically the painting works
i just feel it has unforeseen potential
to move forward