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Biscayne Bath, 2014
Oil on Canvas
34 x 44 in.
Armetta: I don't want to rush this, but first impressions for me as far as the content, at least partially, seems to be addressing your thoughts on buildings taking on the identity of the body and the resulting issues that may arise with ownership of the related resources.
In this case the buildings, from what I can see appear to be all male, arguably Caucasian, erect and expelling liquid. The resources, beyond the architecture, seem to be the river/body of water that is being formed. The scaffolding holding the architecture up seems fragile, the brushwork feels both brutal and fragile, which I think may say something about the piece itself.
Ideas that you may find weak, but aggressively put forth.
*also by extension the resources would also be the plant life...
Ramos: the title of the piece is Biscayne Bath, that gives you some context.
The buildings are male and Caucasian since buildings are made in the image of their creator, in this case the developers.
Armetta: I've read some of your thoughts relating to the body of work/ideas this image relates to, but for the sake of discussion, what is your primary critique about the state(s) of affairs that you are addressing and how do you think that it could be more inclusive?
For example, how would a female or transgender developer/architect make work in their image - how would it be different?
Ramos: not sure if it is a critique as much as it is a reflection of the current real estate landscape. It seems that the males strategy (in real estate) is a bit short-sided.
The infrastructure has a lot to do with it, both physical and political, resulting in that we are bathing in our own waste.
If buildings were more like the female body, perhaps the idea of intrinsic creation can be reflected in resource production, from waste for example.
Not sure if it would take a woman to do this job, but the men in the field, at least in Miami, are not at the moment. I say men, because most if not all of the developers (specifically new construction) are male.
I like that you mention the brushwork
This is something I am uncertain about, insecure is a better word, and it gives the buildings a sense of instability - which does works for the concept - although it is not in my control.
Armetta: I think that it alludes to, helps create, and amplifies your content in this piece. When you write that it’s not in your control, do you mean this type of mark making manifests itself with whatever you paint? I can say that looking at your work you seem to approach the materials in a way that asserts their identity.
Speaking of architecture, this is something that often comes up in that field as well. Not hiding materials or processes as much as embracing those elements for what they specifically can offer…that's just a bunch of words to say that I think your brushstrokes are friggin' cool!
We both mentioned that we may be working back into our pieces. What aspect(s) of this image are you potentially unsure about? I know that can be difficult to answer.
Ramos: If I do, I would work on the waste coming out of the penises, they bother me.
Armetta: There is always a question for me of when I sincerely like a work or I just think it's "OK".
*sincerely like a work of mine I mean.
Ramos: i can't call a work finished until i sincerely like it
Armetta: Me too!
Ramos: even at the risk of ruining it, I rather keep working
Armetta: Yeah - taking a risk with changes can definitely add vitality to work.
Armetta: when you say "waste" do you mean urine in this pieces case (I don't mean to be so literal, but I was just thinking about something related to that if it does allude to urine specifically)
Ramos: waste is everything that comes out of our bodies and into the building
the building then discards it into an infrastructure that basically dumps it in our waters
Armetta: This seriously may be totally not something you would care about as potential content/imagery, but there is one penis that (maybe) looks less erect than the others approaching the background. Peeing while erect is very difficult, but having an orgasm isn't.
Even as a potential feature of design (not only content). It may be interesting to have the waste change along with the relative erectness of each penis - you know from a sort of bold arch to a limp trickle. Again, I don’t mean content alone - it could perhaps lead to interesting interrelationships between forms and the physics of the penises and liquid.
Ramos: I see your point
and see how the orientation indicates a state of erectness in all but that one in the back
i might have to find some videos on men peeing
Armetta: Let me send you a link! JK
are you suggesting that as they are, the penis are in fact ejaculating?
Armetta: Well, it would be very difficult to urinate like that, but with the color of the liquid, I was thinking of it maybe less literally.
I don't mind it just not being so literal, as in it's an expulsion...and that's all you need to know! But if you wanted to suggest the more likely state of affairs with a penis in that state, a bit more white (or just lightened color) may do that a bit more. As long as it didn't contradict anything you're going for, which I don't think it does.
It's so funny. I had this same conversation with my mom just this morning...
Ramos: lol... how do you mean?
Armetta: Nothing! Super just kidding!