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the bluezZz, 2016
Music Video, 4 min., 59 sec.
RAMOS: Hi Tara
LONG: hey gorl
Would you send me the music video?
LONG: yea. well i have 2
RAMOS: send me both
LONG: ok cool
Music Video, 4 min., 59 sec.
RAMOS: I'm five minutes into the first one (TRIPTIC) - and already I see a major difference in refinement, editing, condensing, structuring, and narrative from the second video (the bluezZz)
What is that transformation about?
LONG: for sure
oh shit just saw the other question
It just makes me wonder about the shift
LONG: so... sorry just trying to word this right
RAMOS: No rush at all
LONG: there is this perception of miami that i wanted to portray in the first one, and in the 2nd i needed to redirect the focus
more sincere in a way
still not saying that right but close
RAMOS: The first one is sort of a haze, a bit of a dark haze - which can very well describe some Miami experiences
I thought you were typing... Well the second some is a very specific escape
LONG: haha.. i was typing ... but then reread and was answering a question u didnt ask
yes the 2nd one is more specific
RAMOS: In the second one, the escapes are via smoking and another person - as if you had very little control of your own state of joy
Would you agree? And I mean "you" as in the character in the video
LONG: yes ur pretty spot on there
RAMOS: a state of having little power in a way seems to affect a pretty large portion of society
LONG: loss of control
RAMOS: Low self esteem
LONG: its something i'm very interested in sociologically, especially when it comes to women
RAMOS: The loss of power has a long historical trajectory
LONG: this 'damsel in distress' syndrome
RAMOS: Right and the interesting thing is - well if that other person will not make me happy - I will leave this reality entirely
I can deff identify with that
And would say that's more at the tale end of history - or not actually
What makes your second video relevant is that you are now talking about it from the contemporary view
LONG: thanks... theres a lot i start to think about when it comes to all this so excuse my ... stalling moments
RAMOS: There's no rush at all
That's why I like this format
LONG: yea its chill
RAMOS: Tell me about this Poorgrrrl character you've created
LONG: oy ve
this poorgrrrl chick is so confusing
RAMOS: Confusing to you or to me?
LONG: in general. the foundation of her being is confusion and doubt
there is this raw confidence
the kind u can only get after u been so low that u have truly felt what it is to not give a fuck for real
RAMOS: Is her poverty a monetary poverty or a mental poverty?
LONG: so poorgrrrl is like, sitting right on that line
her poverty blankets everything
poor is poor is poor
RAMOS: Well there are rich people that are poor
RAMOS: And there are poor people that are joyous
RAMOS: Poorgrrrl is hopeless
LONG: she kinda joyous in her physical poverty
RAMOS: Ok - perhaps also joyous in her youth
LONG: hopeless is a good term
RAMOS: What is she escaping from?
RAMOS: Isn't reality subjective?
LONG: from instagram into the real world, she is unamused.
RAMOS: Is she spoiled?
Is she selfish?
Why does she expect amusement?
LONG: her world is filled with mindless entertainment.
she is doing what she sees, kind of like a child who imitates what they see, mindlessly.
she is like the personification of a critique on entertainment, that doesn't know she is being used. .... ehh but see this is only one aspect.
RAMOS: Tell me more then
LONG: its coming lol
LONG: ok there is the part that i told you, which is this sort of absorption of her surroundings that she cant help because its so over powering, and then there is this side that is rebelling against that.
rejection of a lot of expectations or tropes/stereotypes in media. sex = power ect.
she is basically just like, a teenager on the internet lol
RAMOS: Well I see that and I am attracted to the part where she rejects the expectation that, for example, Beyoncé is fulfilled.
And it's strange to even mention that name but it is such a force - an inverse force of Poorgrrrl
LONG: for SURE
yea pop culture is fuel for her fire hahahaha
RAMOS: My question or what I wonder is - is she hurting herself as much as her inverse?
By being the inverse, is she trapped in the same game?
LONG: and that is where the work is
if you are asking what i think you are asking
RAMOS: What do you think I'm asking?
LONG: haha. are you asking ... is she what she hates?
RAMOS: Well yes - is her purpose to be free?
LONG: she will never be free
RAMOS: By being the inverse of her hate - she carries that DNA
LONG: but 4 real
RAMOS: Why not?
LONG: yes. she is what she hates
RAMOS: Why can't she be free?
Is that up to you?
LONG: she is trapped.
RAMOS: Does that mean you can't be free?
LONG: i have a much better shot then her.
her persona exist much like that of a clown, she will eternally represent that state of being.
something really major happens
RAMOS: She is a reflection - and unless the world changes she can't change
Is that what you mean?
LONG: that was very beautifully put Olivia
yea thats it