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Gold Dip, 2016
Appropriated Canvas and Frame, Acrylic Paint
12 x 18 in.
can we do skype?
my hangouts isn't working for some reason
RAMOS: we do conversations via g-chat that way the raw text is what gets published
RAMOS: but if it's not working.... does Skype have a chat option?
MO: my chat is working
we are good to go here
thank you for joining us
MO: my pleasure
RAMOS: I am sure the name you go by "the most famous artist" gets questioned from time to time
is this the name of your studio? or is this you?
MO: By now, everyone in the world has accepted the fact that I am The Most Famous Artist.
I turned a much used adjective into a noun that I own
My studio is called The Most Famous Studio
RAMOS: right - what would you say is the predominant medium in your work?
MO: the Internet
RAMOS: that's fascinating
MO: is it?
because if the internet is a medium then it is endless
and in a way you then have very little boundaries
would you agree?
MO: truth is, whoever is best at using the internet to connect with the billions of people online, is truly The Most Famous Artist
RAMOS: well - wait
MO: The Internet is everything
RAMOS: i guess yes - the internet is both a medium for communication, as it would be canvas or sculpture
but also the internet is content
something you can't say about the other two (canvas or sculpture)
MO: The Internet is everything
the Internet is forever too
can't say that about canvas and paint either
RAMOS: right - so then what are you contributing if it is already all inclusive?
MO: stories, experiences, emotions, connections; ART
RAMOS: but it's all already there
are you creating new ones?
or are you more of a curator?
MO: there are always new stories to create
RAMOS: haha yes
well this piece/performance - what does it have to do with the internet?
MO: it exists because of the internet
RAMOS: the story? it could have been written in a magazine or newspaper.
MO: the impetus -- the idea -- came to me because of the way we share our lives on the Internet, our value structure, our crafting of perception through pixels
MO: you you still here?
im gonna make a sandwich. thanks for the interview.
RAMOS: yes i'm thinking
RAMOS: this is where it ends?
MO: you tell me!
RAMOS: well no - so because everything is in the internet, anything can be related to or inspired by it
so i'm trying to really grasp how you are an internet artist
MO: im not an internet artist
i use the internet as an artist
the tool of our time
21st century art will be differentiated from the past by the way artists use the internet.
how do you define art from everything else that's coming out of the internet?
for example - memes
is that art?
MO: better question is: what isn't art
and to that, I have no response
RAMOS: neither do i
so then if everyone and anyone can be an artist or is an artist on the internet
why bother calling yourself as such?
MO: why the fuck not?
RAMOS: and why bother creating a hierarchy in which you are the most famous?
MO: again, why the fuck not?
how did you acquire $1 million?
MO: are you going to ask something interesting?
RAMOS: if it's not interesting why did you make an art piece out of it?
MO: how I got the cash isn't an interesting question
the answer is: from the bank
RAMOS: you got a temporary loan for $1 million to make an art piece?
what were the terms?
MO: i went to the bank and got the cash
i guess you don't want to talk about it
i personally can't go to the bank and grab $1 million
MO: it just isn't really that interesting
RAMOS: what do you think it's interesting?
Revolution is interesting
RAMOS: revolutions towards what?
and from where?
MO: the revolution of industries
RAMOS: all industries? but towards what?
what is your intention with a revolution?
revolution means change - so what is the end goal of your change?
MO: It means: a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.
if a system or industry is broken, then it needs revolution
look at airbnb in the hospitality industry
look at facebook in the media industry
RAMOS: yup those are revolutionary and disruptive - for sure
MO: who will revolutionize the art market?
RAMOS: ahhh - revolution in the art market
MO: surely it is needed if a guy who doesn't know how to paint can become The Most Famous Artist using the power of the crowd on the internet
RAMOS: i don't think painting makes you an artist - we've already decided that everyone is an artist
what drives the art market today?
MO: money greed and power
and all of those things are disintermediated when the crowd and the internet get involved
RAMOS: im not sure i agree with that - the art market and public opinion are very much disconnected
but i'm not saying the potential isn't there
MO: they wont be for long
so the issue here - for you - is that money is going to the wrong art?
MO: the renaissance and its patronage died when art became a vehicle for the ultra rich to hide taxes and measure dicks
under the guise of celebrating culture
artists don't need a gallery, or museum, or art education these days
i didn't need any of those things
RAMOS: art education
for an artist to be included in "art history" there has to be some kind of relevance to the trajectory of the practice
do you disagree?
MO: sure, but you don't need to learn that in school
google will give you all of the historical references you need
RAMOS: you don't need to learn anything in school
MO: you don't need to go to art school to be an artist
RAMOS: school is a good way to manage your learning time
school can be a way to learn technique
MO: not if it makes you a homogeneous debtor to a corrupt institution
i have my own issues with education - how education for the masses became a priority only when the newspaper came into play.
they needed people to know how to read so they can be manipulated
MO: so the newspapers could profit
education then became a waste of time when television came out
MO: so yeah, revolution. the most famous artist.
i really should get back to my sandwich