Unedited conversations between artist in a productive critique  discovering  thesis and processes behind the work.








Conversation between Sinisa Kukec and Olivia Ramos.


Robert Anton Wilson

Cosmic Triggers, 2010

Recorded Lecture, 2 min., 58 sec.

RAMOS:  ‪hola‬‬‬


KUKEC:  ‪radio light transmission...‬‬‬


‪i am so on board with Dr. Leary‬‬‬




‪oh wait... I think I mean Robert Anton Wilson‬‬‬




‪both actually - both‬‬‬


with Leary - i agree that part of our brains have yet developed and are meant to serve us in the future... and that parts of our brain are obsolete or will be... like the amygdala


and with Wilson - it makes so much sense that our brains are just receivers and produce nothing on their own


or at least i want it to be that way


pineal gland, Medulla oblongata, wisdom teeth, appendix... Sense... can you describe that sense that transmissions?‬‬‬


can i describe the sense that allows the transmission to occur?




‪not sure what to call that sense... but I am certain that it is developed through meditation‬‬‬


‪ok fair enough... and how do you arrive at this certainty?‬‬‬


‪i practice meditation‬‬‬


and ideas just come to me during it


that's my favorite part about the practice


‪sounds great... Well, there are... where times, I self medicate, and that would generate ideas... I don't meditate directly... but the art that I make usual involves a meditative state... but I am not certain about this transmission idea.‬‬‬


do you take credit for your ideas?‬‬‬


‪not directly and neither do I my emotions... I blame my mother.‬‬‬


I was programs just like the rest of us... never really cared for it.


your mother programmed you?‬‬‬


no right?


cause she was programmed too


was she programmed to program you?


medication and meditation.... finite and infinite sources of insight‬‬‬


i think if anything we were programmed to receive information


My parents most certainly did... teachers, mentors, relationships good and bad... some animals have even programed me....


Did you know.... science is making this chip that inserts into the body and medicates you for a really long time... slowly becoming infinite...‬‬‬


what do you mean "slowly becoming infinite"?‬‬‬


‪Well these transmissions that you speak of... it's the end game, the final theory seems to stay alive! to be human forever... infinite! No?‬‬‬


i wouldn't say human... spirit yes.. but humans are finite‬‬‬


‪so if we are already infinite (spirit) and why would I desire to be human (finite)‬‬‬


‪to take the challenge of having limitations‬‬‬


to grow through pleasure and pain


that sound very human... so the earth... is a cosmic Colosseum




and it is very popular these days




‪because it is one of the only places to get a body and have physical limitations‬‬‬


‪200,000 years‬‬‬


how much longer before it's gone?


limitations and all...


‪ohh i'm not sure how long‬‬‬


but human life is probably not going to last forever


we keep missing the point


which is?‬‬‬


we are only here to better get to know ourselves‬‬‬


that's a nice idea... but I am not sure about this transmission idea.‬‬‬


‪Todays final transmission... "We should get used to the idea that we'll probably never be able to find - and confirm - a good explanation of the ultimate origin of the universe, though I see no reason to believe that we can't press much further on this question than we have managed to date."


‪Daniel Dennett‬‬‬