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RAMOS: hi there

 

GUERRIER: hi

 

RAMOS: how spiritual are you this morning?

 

GUERRIER: afternoon, no more than usual.

 

good humor

 

open to the universe

 

RAMOS: that's powerful

 

clear your agenda

 

allow yourself to be guided

 

GUERRIER: i wouldn't use that phrasing. but yes, that sentiment

 

i am in my studio

 

and today, i am working without the pressure of any deadline

 

so yes, clear agenda

 

RAMOS: no tension, no friction, sounds like serenity

 

GUERRIER: well, there is the works and its demands

 

not serenity, but a great place

 

RAMOS: happy to hear that

 

GUERRIER: and you?

 

what is your disposition?

 

RAMOS: today I make my own deadlines and knowing that makes the tension superficial, self inflicted, and i can have peace for a while if I choose

 

it depends on the demands i have for myself

 

but i rather be guided

 

its hard sometimes to tell the difference between my will and the will of the universe

 

what if we all surrendered to the will of the universe?

 

GUERRIER: i am not sure

 

i am in the universe

 

so i would be surrendering partly to me

 

we can't be out of the universe

 

so we will always be subservient to the universe

 

RAMOS: right

 

there is also a universe within me

 

and i can tap into it

 

GUERRIER: within you

 

a metaphor for the vastness of humanity

 

of individual humans

 

sure

 

philosophy and theology talks of reflecting divinity or perfect forms or love

 

yes

 

we can

 

or it is within us to reflect

 

RAMOS: we are divinity incarnate - no?

 

we have flesh only as a challenge

 

as limitations

 

GUERRIER: in some views

 

RAMOS: sure... if you go with the Anunnaki views.. we are drones

 

slaves to the alien race

 

GUERRIER: the carnal can't just be a lesser

 

RAMOS: i didn't say it was a lesser

 

on the contrary

 

GUERRIER: i know you didn't

 

i think our incarnate self are complete and able to be fulfilled

 

to be seen as a limitation or limited in contrast to the omni

 

omnipotent

 

omnipresent

 

tell me a bit about the Anunnaki view

 

RAMOS: well... let me answer the previous comment... challenges and limitations does not mean we as carnal beings are less than

 

in the spirit world, there are no limitations and therefore there are certain forms of growth (from pain and pleasure) that are no available

 

as spirits we choose to take a body to learn

 

we dive into the karmic cycle to see if we can reach enlightenment

 

spirits can't possibly have that challenge

 

as spirits anyway

 

so it is a privilege to take a body and face the challenges and grow above the limitations

 

do you still want to hear more about the Anunnaki?

 

GUERRIER: sure

 

RAMOS: the way i understand it is... back in the day, i'm talking 200,000 years ago1

 

people lived 900 years

 

and were much taller

 

this is way before the Anunnakis who are said to have been around during the Mesopotamian era which his only around 3,000 years ago.

 

so were the Anunnakis decedents of the Lemurians?

 

or did the Anunnakis flee from earth when Lemuria fell

 

GUERRIER: this sounds like sci-fi

 

in a wonderful way

 

RAMOS: you can say the same about Jesus Christ

 

so everything we can't do today is sci-fi

 

everything can't see is sci-fi

 

GUERRIER: poor sci-fi

 

myth and sci-fi are different

 

sci-fi tends to be a bit anachronistic

 

"in the spirit world, there are no limitations"

 

why not?

 

RAMOS: no physical limitations

 

pain is a very interesting catalyst for growth

 

for example...

 

GUERRIER: i am not sure i understand no physical limitations

 

spirit has no physical anything

 

which is why mythic tales tell of spirits taking form human or animal or object -river, tree

 

to do something or affect the world

 

RAMOS: right

 

the point of "limitations" is growth

 

GUERRIER: the world of the incarnate is an important theatre/stage for the spirits

 

as in transcendence

 

limits are defined and to be overcome

 

RAMOS: like college courses

 

every life is a different course

 

and if you fail, you repeat and it gets harder the second time around

 

what we think is "success" is part of the challenge

 

the truth is within that piece of universe or "source" we all carry within

 

GUERRIER: does everyone carry the same-ish truth

 

or 7 billions truths to guide 7 billions humans

 

RAMOS: it's all the same truth and i believe we all carry it

 

GUERRIER: one truth is right back to perfect ideal forms

 

the source cannot be in us.

 

but a means to connect to the source may

 

RAMOS: why can't the source be within us?

 

why can't we be the source?

 

GUERRIER: because it seems that we all have the same thruth

 

one truth to 7 billion people

 

it must be external to us

 

yet we connect to it

 

and 7 billions is just now

 

one truth for all humans and aliens in the universe

 

ever

 

it must be external

 

RAMOS: i don't see that at all

 

and you don't really give me any argument for that

 

other than a number

 

i don't see the source having any limitations

 

the source can be everything at once

 

and be learning over 7 billion lessons at once

 

GUERRIER: i see

 

you are offering a reverse image to my thinking

 

so, everyone as source contribute to the truth

 

we don't reflect

 

we are the source

 

RAMOS: right

 

but in our (human) case

 

our challenges, and there are many, is partly to figure this out

 

to escape the traps of the physical and the traps of the Ego

 

which is obsessed with the physical

 

GUERRIER: this, i don't like

 

i see perception to be connected to the physical

 

and that is wonderful

 

i am not sure what are the possible traps

 

RAMOS: you don't think spirits can perceive?

 

GUERRIER: i see living as being wonderful

 

i do not think spirits can percieve

 

i dont think they have poetry, art, music

 

food

 

have sex

 

touch, flirt,

 

there is no way the spirit can do any of that.

 

we do

 

RAMOS: you seem to have a limiting scope of perception

 

i think spirits can perceive beyond anything we can imagine

 

but again, those are the limitations of being human

 

our perception is limited

 

GUERRIER: how? i am not a spirit. I cant perceive them. i know what it is to be human and carnal.

 

and while being humans, we can be fulfilled in a spiritual manner

 

RAMOS: yes... but you said prior that spirits can't do things in the physical world... and i agree, that is why we are spirits having a human experience

 

but that has nothing to do with the scope of perception

 

or rather you are assuming the physical is all that there is to perceive

 

GUERRIER: for me, spirituality as practiced as formal religion or not

 

leads to fulfillment

 

while being a humans

 

afterlife is the next chapter

 

in this one, we live fully

 

i dont think we are spirits

 

i assume there is a spiritual realm

 

RAMOS: i disagree... and definitely feel we are spirits

 

and that spirit is connected to the source, it is part of the source

 

and spirituality is a practice of connecting or allowing that spirit, or being aware of that spirit within

 

GUERRIER: spirituality requires/dispenses knowledge

 

but also more

 

spirituality offers guides on how to live

 

living is a physical thing

 

in the spiritual realm, i dont know what it is called

 

that is why it leads to the ideals

 

omnipresence

 

omnipotence

 

timelessness

 

and perception is there for us to gather knowledge

 

of us, the world and its connections

 

the non-incarnate probably takes human form, or animal form or a tree form

 

every once in a while

 

in order to perceive

 

and gather knowledge

 

i like this view because it still allows for transcendence while alive

 

what are some traps of the physical?

 

 

 

 

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RAMOS: i sent you an image last week‬‬

 

about spirituality and housing

 

how do you feel about that?

 

GUERRIER:  ‪right‬‬

 

about the image?

 

RAMOS:  ‪what if all buildings had some sort of a shrine?‬‬

 

what if all housing projects had a spiritual component?

 

GUERRIER: ‪housing projects probably do

 

as spaces open to be used as shrines, temples, meeting halls

 

atheist would feel oppressed‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪you don't think atheist can be spiritual?‬‬

 

‬‬GUERRIER:  ‪atheism is really outside of my grasp.‬‬

 

for some, it sounds like an object to god or gods and/or the spiritual realm

not sure, if atheist can be spiritual

 

but i would argue humans have some spiritual component to their being

atheist or not

 

RAMOS:  ‪i agree‬‬

 

and i don't imagine buildings having anything specific or towards any denomination

 

nor anything organized

 

just spiritual as a space and experience

 

GUERRIER:  ‪every building having something denotes organization, program‬‬

 

RAMOS: sure but more like game rooms, libraries, movie rooms...etc ‪

 

like you said... that spiritual component in us all

 

i think if pubic or semi-public spaces had mirrors of such, then it would remind or revive that power

 

GUERRIER:  ‪it sounds a bit too suggestive as to what one should think about‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪ok‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪are cities or megalopolis compatible with such program‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪it's a larger scale‬‬

 

let me ask you something

 

is it wrong to suggest or embed hope?

 

GUERRIER:  ‪no.‬‬

 

optimism plays its in inspiring us all

 

RAMOS:  ‪right‬‬

 

i interrupted you thoughts... what about cities?

 

we have churches everywhere

 

GUERRIER:  ‪cities seem to be a place of convergence‬‬

 

and at some point, a city must speak for multiple groups

 

RAMOS:  ‪how does it not?‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪not everyone recognizes the value of the spiritual‬‬

 

or even actively wants it

 

cities prioritize to serve broadly; and so politics enters‬‬

 

i am thinking of east Jerusalem

 

not being able to serve multiple groups right now

 

RAMOS:  ‪right‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪i think spirituality, faith and religion must be practiced on personal/communal terms‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪yes‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪probably not on urban terms‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪it is just me and God sort of deal‬‬

 

i agree

 

but i'm not talking about religion and i think religion and spirituality are two different things

 

GUERRIER:  ‪and so, no shrine in every building‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪why not?‬‬

 

what if the shrine was composed of trees and flowers?

 

and strategic lighting

 

GUERRIER:  ‪gov't are terrible in helping people in spiritual matters‬‬

 

mandating ramps and restroom easy

 

mandating spiritual spaces is a big ask

 

RAMOS:  ‪and mandating Eco-friendly structure is even bigger‬‬

 

but i don't want to count on the gov

 

on the scale of the architect or developer, is it wrong to put a shrine in a lobby ?

 

GUERRIER: ‪not wrong

 

Eco-friendly structure is easy‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪is it?‬‬

 

‪stepping on FPL‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪mandating may be‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪and water management‬‬

 

and contractors

 

not easy

 

GUERRIER:  ‪easier than you think‬‬

 

it's all politics

 

RAMOS:  ‪you think politics is easy?‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪yes‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪and you don't think religion is by large politics?‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪no‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪not spirituality... religion‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪i understand‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪look at the Spanish inquisition‬‬

 

wasn't that religion playing politics?

 

i can think of contemporary inquisitions.. but don't know enough to comment directly

 

GUERRIER:  ‪that wasn't playing politics. they were in charge‬‬

 

politics is game of interest and influence

 

like i said earlier, faith, spirituality and religion is personal

 

a person and a way of being

 

no outside interest, no outside influence

 

money doesn't matter

 

other people doesn't matter

 

one does what is right and good

 

as understood at that time

 

RAMOS:  ‪that sounds like anarchy‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪it may be changed with more knowledge‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪benign anarchy‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪no‬‬

 

not at all

 

one's faith may ask one to be kind and good to all

 

so, one would live kindly with others

 

others do not get to shape the requirement to be good and kind

 

they can be your family, your clan, or your enemy

 

one must be kind

 

not anarchy

 

that is why Spanish inquisition is weird for Catholics to do

 

it betrayed their faith

 

so we are suspicious of them

 

or scared

 

RAMOS:  ‪the Spanish inquisition only killed about 5,000 people‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪but intimidated millions‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪over 150,000 people killed in Iraq‬‬

 

GUERRIER:  ‪at least officially‬‬

 

RAMOS:  ‪i think it's tricky‬‬

 

there are laws to have human order

 

and there is spirituality

 

and there are overlaps

 

there is also insanity

 

and insanity on a social level

 

GUERRIER:  ‪where there is an overlap of law and spirituality, the law must be careful‬‬

 

to be neutral

 

which can be hard for lawmakers who have biases‬‬

 

so yes tricky

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RAMOS: if only all lawmakers had to study every religion

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and would be free to apply principles that overlapped in all

 

GUERRIER:  ‪well, that is what Plato required, philosopher-king‬‬