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Conversation between Adler Guerrier and Olivia Ramos.

 

Adler Guerrier

 

RAMOS: Are we discussing MemoryLab?

 

  GUERRIER: I don't know

 

   whatever you like

 

   MemoryLab was good

 

   did you see it?

 

I've seen some of the work you had in it

 

nostalgic

 

right, i have images

 

 

 

 

and slightly, graphically architectural

 

yeah, i selected images from History Miami's archive

 

that felt open

 

But also in the presentation style

 

and even the dotted lines

 

 

 

 

spacially

 

or rather dash lines

 

specially or spacially - is that a real word?

 

true those are the marks that i was playing with

 

related to space

 

yes and at the same time, architecture is a common evil in the work

 

unless i am projecting

 

architecture holds whatever evil or good-intentions that has been placed in it

 

piece is titled Untitled(We will settle for a place among the pines and the palms; a city without walls)

 

who is responsible for "placing it"

 

architects, clients, inhabitants

 

historian

 

gossip tellers

 

drunks at bbq or at bars

 

then is it within the architecture or in the words spoken?

 

it is with the stories told and re-told that placement occurs

 

both

 

there are few stories told of poor peoples thrown-together house

 

a decent envelope is needed to hold decent stories

 

but in your images, it seems like you are the voice of nature, not people

 

i would say the voice shaping :nature"

 

"nature"

 

miami in 1890s anyway

 

palms and pines

 

and rocky limestone

 

it is the moment when placement, we still have, begun to happen

 

you don't mean architecture shapes nature... or do you?

 

i mean people architecture(urban planning) is an expression of people's management of natural landscapes

 

we grid it. we pave it

 

place wells and stop signs and churches and schools on it

 

all in relation to how we think it should serve us

 

do you think nature is serving us today?

 

nature is. nature doesn't serve.

 

it is that must be sustainable

 

nature is indifferent

 

i don't agree with that

 

i think the best living things serve something

 

well the Sahara was always there

 

eastern part used to be tropical

 

eventually the desert grew to take over

 

all of it nature

 

living things moved

 

gave way to dryness and eventually a desert

 

nature is indifferent

 

nature is also on a time scale of millinea

 

not centuries of humans life

 

i think the limestone we used in our building

 

especially if it was quarried nearby

 

is part of the natural that i am interested in

 

if it has water in it and dirt on top of it and a city on top of that

 

make little difference to the limestone

 

it is there

 

i think living in a way that express connection to place

 

through stories, design, materials

 

is the thing

 

it is architecture

 

architecture serves and it is mean to serve

 

architecture, and in my opinion good one, imitates nature

 

true

 

because nature aims to serve

 

look at the mangroves that protect the land from erosion

 

serve as water, food, shade, protection

 

all qualities imitated by architecture

 

that reading of mangroves is from the perspective of humans

 

from the perspective of crabs or fish

 

mangroves are a good to feed or hide

 

an erosion may not be a notion for them

 

mangroves can be said to serve the crabs

 

but it might be that crabs see mangroves as the places where they can live fulfilled lives

 

architecture, at its best, does imitate nature

 

but we have to separated ourselves from nature and think too much of our dominance over it

 

i agree with you there

 

but nature is the most forgiving

 

and so architecture have more often dominated over the natural rather than learn from it

 

there is a lot of ego in architecture

 

or rather represented, projected, expressed

 

yep nature's cycles are beautiful that way

 

yes, too much ego

 

from visionary architects to homeowners who foregrounds taste before sense

 

taste before service

 

i think it's all about service

 

taste before service

 

the more you serve, the more you are like nature

 

yes

 

so then, what do you see as a solution?

 

service or harmonious usage

 

solutions would involve lessening the elements make us egomaniac

 

fame, wealth, capitalism, greed, malice

 

and promote more service and harmonious living

 

but i might be very disruptive

 

like allow our barrier island to be barrier island

 

don't build on the waterfront

 

plant more mangroves

 

guarantee everyone housing

 

how does a society kill it's own ego?'

 

right

 

how

 

or how does an individual? that would work too

 

individual can be assholes, but society shouldn't be

 

so the goal is to mirror nature

 

one lion make be mean

 

but a pride of lions is usually not

 

communal egos maybe a bigger problem

 

it is hard not to give up on society and work on the self instead

 

but perhaps art is able to reach beyond the self in that way

 

but i think art still works on one person at a time

 

not sure if this essence of society really exists

 

 

art and architecture offer opportunities for commonalities

 

we all mostly see Pamm as a place to be, to relax, to view the bay, to view art

 

those commons contribute to good things in society

 

i still allows one to love the view more than the art

 

or the garden more than the architecture

 

art works one multiple people but in time

 

i95 or 836 don’t over the same commons

 

real estate as an industry doesn’t either

 

architecture could or does

 

so, in early Miamians resolved to live here.

 

and learned quickly of porches, shade and cross ventilation

 

they were at the mercy of hurricane

 

but they live well

 

at one point the success of this city affected the distributions of those lessons

 

yes but you have to take into account the scalability factor

 

how does a place provide for EVERYONE

 

by designing well

 

it is simple

 

it is complicated

 

the resources are not the same

 

how do you offer everyone shade, breeze, and a view of the bay

 

it is the very simple thing that 15 years ago, people called Steve Jobs a genius for,

 

design well

 

at scale

 

it can be done

 

not the bay

 

that was not one of the lesson

 

shade - plant more trees

 

so coconut grove exist

 

breeze - large lots and cross ventilation

 

coconut grove but a fraction of the density of Brickell

 

the county is large

 

are you saying there should be sprawl?

 

combined with nature

 

we have sprawl of single family houses

 

we would used less land if half of that is 3 to 5 stories

 

i am also saying kill real estate as investment

 

make sure people can live

 

the rest can be investment

 

the problem is that i could lead to Miami having NYC population 8million

 

but i don't see that

 

we don't have the economy

 

hold on - what do you mean kill real estate as investment?

 

and are not central to a larger region

 

how would that work?

 

who would put up the cash?

 

i don't know

 

it isn't that important

 

investment is an instrument of markets

 

it doesn't help in the ego problem

 

it fuels it

 

there are other problem like imminent domain, private property and individual needs for happiness

 

you would have to completely displace success

 

into something entirely different

 

maybe

 

not sure if it would still be capitalism at that point

 

happitalism

 

haha

 

i'd live there

 

capitalism is a problem

 

well the other options on the table are not very attractive

 

like?

 

at least capitalism offers independence

 

i lived in communism and that was a nightmare

 

no matter how much you worked, there was no progress

 

that's not a way to live

 

less capitalism isn't communism

 

i'm just giving you other options on the table

 

and minimum waged workers aren't independent

 

millionaire are

 

i am not talking about that

 

i don't think millionaires are independent

 

they are just as paralyzed as those with minimum wage

 

i think a true middle class is the happiest

 

and that sadly is disappearing

 

i am talking about a system that allows someone making $30,000 to have a place, to live, to enjoy the breeze and the shade

 

yeah i want that too

 

capitalism offered that before

 

it is the one of the Florida/Miami narratives

 

small but well designed houses and affordable

 

it existed before

 

so art creates value out nothing, sometimes

 

art and even words are powerful that way

 

there can be other measures for success outside of what capitalism frames as success