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Adler Guerrier

Untitled (Orchids and Boutonnieres), 2010

Watercolor, graphite, collage, and solvent transfer on paper.

30 x 22"

‬Ramos:  ‪This series is currently at the PAMM exhibit

 

‬‪is it this recent work?

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Guerrier:  ‪I think there is five of them at PAMM

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2010 is that recent

 

i am making more within the series

 

it is a work that considered the landscape of west coconut grove

 

‪i still pass there, so it is recent

 

Ramos:  ‪does the new work continue the juxtaposition of geometric constraints over landscape?‬‬

 

‬‬Guerrier:  ‪yes, I would geometric projection‬‬,

 

to imply a layering in contrast to mass, density and the image of the natural‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪the contrast achieved through the orthogonal nature of the geometry... is this in reference to urban growth?

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Guerrier:  ‪yes, to the urban grid as an overlay of the landscape‬‬

humans making cities, towns, village

 

but this series also considers west grove at a moment when there are many, many open lots where hope used to be

 

Ramos:  ‪Coconut Grove is the oldest neighborhood in Miami with one of the most organic growth patterns... do you see an actual grid or is this a metaphor for urban planning?‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪it is a moment of erasure of the visible structure which have held the story of a place

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there is a grid in the drawings

 

but it is only interesting if it can hold metaphors

 

so yes, it references other things

 

it is not urban planning though

 

Ramos:  ‪what else does it reference?

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‬‬Guerrier:  ‪i am reading the layering of lives, of families that have lived there‬‬

older Bahamian families

 

came here to farm

 

help establish a city

 

enveloped within the history the larger story of the US, in the terms of civil rights, segregation

 

and now, real estate markets have focused on the neighborhood because of the price of housing

 

Ramos:  ‪the neighborhood is expanding‬‬, to these areas that have been considered somewhat marginal

 

Guerrier:  ‪i would disagree.‬‬

 

i would phrase it as Coconut Grove has limited housing stock and the market no longer sees the west end only in terms poverty and crime

and that investing there is palpable

 

Ramos:  ‪they see it as an opportunity to expand

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Guerrier:  ‪true

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Ramos:  ‪and the residents there will have to move‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪because of price‬‬

 

at least those who rent

 

Ramos:  ‪because of adjacency to price‬‬

 

yes and those who own have a tough choice

 

Guerrier:  ‪but it makes harder for a younger generation to buy a home a few blocks from their parents

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those who own always had the same choice in peak market, sell or ignore all the offers

 

but i see a lot of elderly in west grove

 

Ramos:  ‪sure but it's different when the properties are next in line for development

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Guerrier:  ‪i don't think there is such a thing as "next in line for development"

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there is just the market

 

it is brutally cold

 

 Ramos:  ‪you mentioned earlier that the housing stock is limited

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‬‬‪the east grove is completely occupied, very hard to find a place‬‬, nobody is selling, barely renting

 

therefore the adjacent neighborhood is next

 

similar to what is happening in Little Haiti, developers are buying it up

 

Guerrier:  ‪you see real estate is detached from narrative of people, of place‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪absolutely‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪real estate can probably be played within a spreadsheet‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪it is

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the DNA comes from colonization

 

‪the DNA of real estate ... just want to clarify

 

Guerrier:  ‪i play video games‬‬

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and i understand how to play games that are detached from lives

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but i made the drawings to connect to something warmer

 

Ramos:  ‪what kind of games?‬‬

 

‬‬Guerrier:  ‪civilization, skyrim, age of empires‬‬

 

the games are important

 

because there are different mode of play

 

one that can be empathetic to the digital lives of NPCs

 

‬‬‪or another mode that is as cold as corporate decisions

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‪the games a benign‬‬

 

it is the mode of play

 

the same is for business

 

it is the mode that characterize the decisions

 

Ramos:  ‪you think the financial market sees the world as non-player characters?

 

Guerrier:  ‪i do think financial market behaves like the world is inhabited by non-player characters

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as an immigrant, i can say that the appeal of the us, is partly this idea of opportunity

 

Ramos:  ‪the financial industry is way removed from people‬‬

 

‪but we are talking about development which is a little more grounded

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Guerrier:  ‪is it really removed?

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Ramos:  ‪yes.. when you get into derivatives and subprime mortgages

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Guerrier:  ‪developers mostly use borrowed monies to deal in the world‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪yes that is true, what is wrong with borrowing money?

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‪our economy is based on debt‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪what is wrong is the wrong question.

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it is about how money influences

 

debt isn't bad by itself

 

this is why video games are good metaphors

 

Ramos:  ‪i see what you mean‬‬

 

i thought you were referencing the inequalities of acquiring debt

 

Guerrier:  ‪civilization 5 is a management game

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if you have major debt you lose

 

but also, you are vulnerable to other players

 

‪if a player want to determine her future, debt, cultural and scientific development all need to be managed‬‬

 

self-determination cannot happen if one is at a major disadvantage

 

one will lose her voice and her abilities to move about or stay put in the world

 

Ramos:  ‪but debt is not a disadvantage

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Guerrier:  ‪‬‬true, especially if you are not too big too fail

 

unmanaged and major debt is

 

Ramos:  ‪the US national debt has never been larger‬... not going to finish that one

 

the US is too big to fail

 

Guerrier:  ‪there is an argument made that US debt is being managed. It is major, but as number one economy, seems to point to that it is manageable‬‬

 

US can't fail

 

what would that mean?

 

Ramos:  ‪it is being managed, by the Federal Reserve‬‬

 

they are printing an exorbitant amount of money right now

 

and when inflation gets too high they will raise the interest rates

before there is another crash, I hope

 

Guerrier:  ‪the beauty here is that we have a sense of the management. We may not like it. Economics by default always have dissenting opinions

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i come from a country that i don't know about its management

 

‪so, i am willing to take a wider view of the US economy

 

Ramos:  ‪so do I

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‪i am very grateful to be here as well

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Guerrier:  ‪so, West Grove's barrenness is attractive‬‬

 

because it points to a big grove, big Miami and big US picture

 

Ramos:  ‪yes‬‬

 

but not that big

 

the zoning is still single family

 

it's just going to be luxury single family fairly soon

 

just like Buena Vista

 

and eventually Little Haiti

 

Guerrier: so the title of this piece is politically connect as well

 

The Miami Times

 

Ramos:  ‪"orchids and boutonnières"

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Guerrier:  ‪right

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used to run a column to send shout out to anyone who did good for black people

 

this was in the 1960s

 

so civil rights leaders

 

social groups who raised funds

 

once,  the prime minister of the Bahamas` for signaling that the Bahamas is open to everyone

 

‬‬‪an overt reference to segregated beaches of the American south‬‬

 

‬‬i tend to project this acknowledgment of good deeds‬‬

 

i see west grove as being connected to a place where good deeds where done for black people

 

so the assault of real estate market on the neighborhood is troublesome

 

like we already said it is removed

 

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