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Guerrier:  ‪hi, can i interrupt?

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Ramos:  ‪always

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Guerrier:  ‪ ‬‬‬i just wrote a short text

 

i need some one else to read it

 

Ramos:  ‪send away‬‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪how are you today?‬‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪i am well... reading your text, give me a min or two - this is complex‬‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪yeah take your time‬‬‬

 

Ramos: i have an issue with the word "equity"

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because it has such a financial connotation, so to say that it is revolutionary confuses the message for me

 

Guerrier:  ‪ok.

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equity has been taken up by the financial sector

 

but i like it the way it implies balance‬‬‬

 

‪pointing out that there is inequality in the world

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is a call for equity

 

Ramos:  ‪i don't think equity has any of those connotations‬‬‬

 

equity = cash

 

liquidity

 

Guerrier:  ‪not exactly

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Ramos:  ‪in today's landscape‬‬‬

 

not it's etymology

 

Guerrier:  ‪equity is a one's stake in something of value‬‬‬

 

like real estate

 

but i can cut it

 

a call for justice gets to the point

 

Ramos:  ‪why not use something like equilibrium‬‬‬

 

This is what shows up for equity: noun, plural equities.

 

1. the quality of being fair or impartial; fairness; impartiality:

 

the equity of Solomon.

 

something that is fair and just:

 

the equities of our criminal-justice system.

 

(I see what you mean)

 

Guerrier:  ‪partly equity refers to the rule of law and the administering of justice‬‬‬

 

‪this equity is large and poetic

 

Ramos:  ‪yes.. but all I think about it - "how much equity you have on the project"

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Guerrier:  ‬equity as an amount is bad

 

Ramos:  ‪i think the way you want to use equity is already infused in the word justice

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like you mentioned above, perhaps justice is enough

 

Guerrier:  ‪cool‬‬‬

 

‪what about the last line?‬‬‬

 

is it clear?

 

Ramos:  ‪i had to look up the word Archimedean‬‬‬

 

Lever‬‬‬

 

‪and I'm happy to because it led me to the principle of buoyancy and heat ray parabolic reflectors‬‬‬

 

are you referring to a specific perspective - a view of totality which therefore makes you autonomous?

 

Guerrier:  ‪i want to link Archimedes's great statement

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to everything

 

Ramos:  ‪which is?‬‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪so autonomy is a  being that is complete

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and one can use whatever leverage

 

to get there

 

some of it is bad, like stealing to better oneself

 

some like inheritance and privilege is kind of neutral

 

some like educating oneself is definitely good

 

so leverage used towards autonomy

 

Ramos:  ‪you don't use the word leverage‬‬‬

 

you use lever

 

Guerrier:  ‪a lever is used to give leverage‬‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪and you don't really link Archimedes to autonomy

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my question to you is:

 

don't you think you are being a little inaccessible?

 

i mean, who is your audience?

 

i feel like your choice of words is so narrow

 

when your ideas are very general

 

i think it would be more powerful if what you were trying to say was obvious

 

takes so much energy to guess and figure out how the words are working

 

i mean - i get it

 

but it's not explicit nor simple, which causes a bit of frustration and isolation

 

Guerrier:  ‪yeah, narrow choice of words is a bad habit‬‬‬

 

it is usually means i am talking to myself

 

but your comments are fair

 

i can expand the language

 

and be more generous to my readers

 

‪that's why i shared

 

Ramos:  ‪i think this is way more poetic:‬‬‬

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‪"so autonomy is a being that is complete

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‪and one can use whatever leverage

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‪to get there

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‪some of it is bad, like stealing to better oneself

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‪some like inheritance and privilege is kind of neutral

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‪some like educating oneself is definitely good"

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i love that

 

i get it

 

it's inclusive and that's what revolution is all about

 

and justice as well

 

Guerrier:  ‪nice point‬‬‬

 

ok. let me go re-write, i will share again later. thanks‬‬‬

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one week later

 

 

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Guerrier:  ‪hola‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪you've been working on the text?

 

Guerrier:  ‪not exactly, i took each line and attempted to expand them

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but

 

i stopped

 

and re-wrote just the 5

 

as short rhetorics to be explored later

 

as i work on the installation

 

let me forward the final edit

 

Ramos:  ‪ok‬‬

 

 

 

 

Call for justice and equity has always been revolutionary.

 

Call for revolution, at times, is conflated with call for justice.

 

Space for revolutionary calls and its discourse is not marginal and has ontological implications.

 

Within the penumbra of a call lies open, libre/free commons shaped by ethics and aesthetics.

 

An Archimedean lever also maneuvers towards autonomy.

 

 

 

 

Guerrier:  ‪subtle edit

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but i think it was what i originally wanted to offer as a text

 

Ramos:  ‪yes

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that first sentence is great

 

i mean it says it all

 

didn't think it was about expanding as much as clarifying anyway‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i tend question my process‬‬

 

only to end up near my starting point

 

for our current show at Dimensions Variable

 

Margrethe and i talked about gut knowledge

 

and it is more and more a position that i like

 

knowing instinctually with being fully able to express

 

Ramos:  ‪the intuition or gut is still there‬‬

 

but it has to be refined sometimes

 

the first line I'm on board with

 

Guerrier:  ‪and trying and working towards an adequate expression‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪i think the rest of the lines can use the same refinement

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what are you trying to say with the second line?

 

what do you mean?

 

Guerrier:  ‪i mean sometimes when people ask for revolution what they

 

really want is justice‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪but that's the first line‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪and that they think changing a whole system might be best‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪so basically - justice does not mean changing the system‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪the first line is historical and after the fact.  the declaration of

independence then revolution

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no, justice should be the base of the system

 

it is always there

 

even when we see acts of injustice

 

Ramos:  if you are asking for revolution then it means you are questioning justice

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Guerrier:  ‪we know there is justice to redress the situation‬‬

 

i think it is questioning the system that should administer justice

 

Ramos:  ‪wait

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let me slow this down a bit

 

line 1

 

call for revolution = call for justice

 

yes?

 

Guerrier:  ‪no‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪the word "conflated" means fused‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪it depends on when and where‬‬

 

no, conflated means confused for

 

also means use instead of

 

Ramos:  ‪verb (used with object), conflated, conflating.‬‬

 

‪1.‬ ‪to fuse into one entity; merge:

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‪to conflate dissenting voices into one protest.

 

Guerrier:  ‪yeah, the definition is correct but usage imply a little a bit more

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Ramos: then why don't you just say that?

 

‪i mean - why don't you use the word "confused"‬‬

 

Guerrier: because confusion is a dead end

 

Ramos:  ‪but usage and definition are almost inverse‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪at times‬‬

 

‪the beauty of conflate is in bringing things together that expresses intentions

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hopes

 

and desires

 

confusion highlights the mistake in that choice

 

example

 

Ramos:  ‪i see what you mean‬‬

 

so then you don't want to say anything specific

 

people will have to interpret a bit

 

and they might have different takes on it

 

Guerrier:  ‪because there are several reasons why we conflate‬‬

 

yes

 

Ramos:  ‪if conflate means one thing to you and another to me - that's ok with you‬‬

 

so i see revolution = justice

 

and you see revolution is confused with justice

 

Guerrier:  ‪no, i see revolution = justice‬‬

 

and revolution doesn't guarantee justice

 

i see both

 

but i know that emotions and desire have shaped where one might be on the spectrum

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because of that, i like conflate

 

conflate implies that the reasons why one thinks revolution = justice is not always known

 

and that is why line 1 is necessary

 

Ramos:  ‪line one is the only one i identify with‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪it respect the desire for the call‬‬

 

line 2 then steps back and warns that revolution may not always deliver

 

Ramos:  ‪but i don't think it says what you are intending - i think the usage of the word conflate is conflicting‬‬

 

line 2 doesn't say that for me - i have to read it three times

 

and wonder how you are using the word marginal

 

Guerrier:  ‪line 2 for me acknowledges history‬‬

 

‬‬‪and human failings‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪why can't you just say "revolution = justice but does't alway deliver justice"‬‬

 

that's line 1 and 2 no?

 

Guerrier:  ‪yes, exactly conflate is conflicting‬‬

 

and necessary

 

i can't say "revolution = justice but doest alway deliver justice"

 

i have

 

but i think i like the space in between each thought

 

Guerrier:  ‪there is another point‬‬

 

when say the police kills someone

 

like in Ferguson

 

and we don't have enough info to satisfy our desire for justice

 

some calls for revolution

 

others calls for justice

 

Ramos:  ‪i understand the spacing requirement‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪two calls‬‬

 

not in conflict per see

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‪but addresses the situation differently‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪but the way you explain it and the way you write it is almost polar opposite‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i understand you point‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪revolution = justice‬‬

 

space

 

revolution does not alway bring justice

 

space

 

sometimes we have to separate the two as two entities

 

now I'm assuming

 

but you get the picture

 

speak to the masses - that's my point

 

i mean - i have to look up words to get this stuff and even then i don't really get it

 

and i want to get it because it comes from you

 

but it's frustrating

 

why can't i just get it

 

and feel it

 

Guerrier:  ‪i dont mean frustrate‬‬

 

but i don't believe talking to the masses requires the easiest words

 

Ramos:  ‪simpler‬‬

 

simpler message

 

Guerrier:  ‪now, i think society needs complex ideas‬‬

 

not complicated

 

Ramos:  ‪simple is complicated‬‬

 

i don't mean simplistic

 

i mean simple

 

Guerrier:  ‪simpler may not get the point across

 

ok

 

fair

 

i think these are simple though

 

and a way that try to embrace multiple points at all times

 

about marginal

 

Ramos:  ‪that's like having two people talking to me at once‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪someone told me that they think nowadays that people calling for revolution and justice is happening again‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪again - when has it stopped happening?‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪one person with two voices‬‬

 

that was my questions

 

i said it never stopped

 

Ramos:  ‪one person with two voices is not intelligible‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪other things took up the main stage and attention of popular culture‬‬

 

and theses calls might have seemed to be marginal

 

but were not

 

one person with two voices could possibly be unintelligible

 

Ramos:  ‪we are talking about two different things‬‬

 

you are that person with two voices

 

and this might not make any sense‬‬