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‬‬Ramos: ‪have you seen Armetta's website?

 

Guerrier:  ‪has he been making paintings of presidents?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪they're just friends‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪he and Obama?

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Ramos:  ‪that's what it looks like‬‬

 

unless Armetta has another series on DC landscapes or Honolulu

 

Guerrier:  ‪the text for the show mentioned  "paint presidents crossing rivers"‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪Obama did cross the Pacific‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪the Pacific River‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪is there one? I meant the ocean‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪let's check‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪maybe in Vancouver

 

Ramos:  ‪or Alaska‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪well, Armetta's paintings were enigmatic

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i see in his text he makes many references to steampunk and other anachronistic things

 

or at least propose anachronistic propositions, references to Da Vinci, for example

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe he is a time traveler, like Da Vinci

 

Guerrier:  ‪i am not sure‬‬

 

time travel is one of the loveliest ideas

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe these paintings are the future dystopia of South Florida

 

Guerrier:  ‪his landscape and texts offer a kind of dread‬‬

 

i saw dystopia, but i asked why‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪I don't know why

 

there is a lot of comedy/satire to his writing

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Guerrier:  ‪the ominous cloud in those landscapes lead to those thoughts‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪and the lack of human presence, the lack of sunlight

 

Guerrier:  ‪some comedy and satire that i have not bridged to the paintings‬‬

even though that is the premise

 

Ramos:  ‪perhaps subtle pleasures in watching it all dissolve

 

Guerrier:  ‪do you know what 10a/10b refers to?‬‬

 

the title of the show‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪there is a movie with that title‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪oh‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪a thriller‬‬

 

it refers to apartment numbers

 

let me see what else there is

 

Guerrier:  ‪movie is in pre-production

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Ramos:  ‪the original was called 301/302

‬‬

Guerrier:  ‪tax form reference

 

Ramos:  ‪yeah I don't know‬‬

 

I like dystopia with attached cynicism

 

Guerrier:  ‪there is a video game‬‬

 

Ramos: and bus routes‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪is that what he was playing with Obama?

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bus route, nice

 

Ramos:  ‪ah‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪traveling‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪discussing the future after Armetta traveled there‬‬

 

maybe time travel happens in a bus

 

Scott Armetta

10a/10b

GUCCIVUITTON

September 20 - November 01, 2014

 

‪Ramos: most of the pieces have this dark ghost, cloud‬‬

 

this unknown "other"

 

Guerrier:  ‪yeah‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪makes me uneasy

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a sort of evil

 

Guerrier:  ‪me as well

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ominous to say the least

 

i want to ask the when as much as the why

 

in a pre-historic moment, did it look like that?

 

Ramos:  ‪or in the future‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪is this part of a cycle‬‬

 

and there for also in the future

 

Ramos:  ‪well this steampunk idea‬‬

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that's futuristic by nature‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪steampunk suggests a technological moment‬‬, not necessarily a time line

 

steampunk seems to be envisioned as our next moment

 

Ramos:  ‪or a parallel reality‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪yeah‬‬

 

i like it as parallel, best

 

did you see Lost. the TV series

 

Ramos:  ‪yes I thought of Lost - are you referring to the dark cloud‬‬?

 

Guerrier:  ‪yes‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪there is also time travel in Lost‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪it was poorly explored in the series‬‬

 

but it was fantastic

 

especially as a character, that seemed to exist outside of time

 

Ramos:  ‪Jacob's brother‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i want to bring this thought to Armetta's paintings

 

but i am reluctant

 

Jacob, his mother, and his brother became this small thing in the end, but for five seasons, it represented the scariest thing in that universe

 

Ramos:  ‪yes, once he was given a narrative, it ceased to be scary‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i did not want an explanation

 

‪i wanted the confrontation with the unknown‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe that's why Armetta doesn't have a narrative‬‬

 

he sort of circles around with comedy‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪you might be right‬‬

 

but so far, i don't like Armetta's stories.

 

i like the paintings, and want to move about those landscapes

 

having timeless thoughts

 

Ramos:  ‪yes, or meet people that live there‬‬, find out what happened

 

Guerrier:  ‪the  painting on the invitation is called Sunrise Event II

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it maybe too casual for me

 

you are right. something did occur

 

‪i don't expect those there, if there is anyone there, to help me understand

 

Ramos:  ‪ohhh wait‬‬

‬‬

‪Plant Hardiness Zones 10a/10b‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪what is that?‬‬

 

plant zones, USDA

 

Ramos:  "‪Armetta’s paintings depict uninhabited landscapes in South Florida, specifically those of Plant Hardiness Zones 10a/10b."‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪nice reference‬‬

 

i like that a lot.

 

what are you quoting? the press release?

 

Ramos:  ‪the email invite‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i forgot to read that‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪yes, well all the information is scattered‬‬

 

like a treasure hunt

 

Guerrier:  ‪i suspect Aramis wrote that.

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referring to painting and landscapes

 

i also like the sort of pop and fissure of paint

 

suggesting something coming through

 

Scott Armetta

10a/10b

GUCCIVUITTON

September 20 - November 01, 2014

 

Guerrier: in the Star Trek series, it usually indicates a space-time anomaly

 

i want to read our landscape through those sci-fi references

 

so maybe in this parallel universe, no one lives in 10a/10b, anymore

 

the everglades as taken Florida back

 

Ramos:  ‪nobody lives there now

‬‬

it's uninhabited

 

Guerrier:  ‪we do‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪not in zone 10a/10b

 

Guerrier:  ‪all of Miami is in 10b‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪oh really?‬‬

 

 

 

Guerrier:  ‪the paintings depict the uninhibited parts‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪got it‬‬

 

Guerrier: so the cloud

 

is it evil?

 

maybe it is a new unknown

 

that comes with darkness and distance

 

‪i am contrasting it to the megalopolis that are to come

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe the cloud lives there now‬‬

 

or lives everywhere and it is only apparent in the landscape

 

Guerrier: ‬‬nice

‪‬‬

‪cloud is here

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Ramos:  ‪yes‬‬

 

we just don't see it

 

Guerrier:  ‪when the lights are down‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪Armetta is lifting the veil for us‬‬

 

now we might see the cloud everywhere we go

 

Guerrier:  ‪maybe he offers glimpses‬‬

 

i hope not to see the cloud

 

Ramos:  ‪even if it's the truth?‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪it is unsettling‬‬

 

the truth? there many truths

 

Ramos:  ‪the truth about the cloud‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪yes,‬‬

 

i hate the Lost writers when they tried to tell me the truth about their cloud

 

i like complexity

 

Ramos:  ‪Armetta is not telling you the narrative‬‬

 

he is letting you know of it's existence

 

parameters for fear

 

isn't that what you want?

 

Guerrier:  ‪i am not sure if he is telling me of it's existence

 

we deduced aspect the cloud based on our own references

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fear is not bad

 

fear sharpens the mind

 

and thickens the mystery

 

Ramos:  ‪fear is produced by the reptilian parts of our brain,‬‬ the oldest part of out brain, the amygdala

 

and it is meant for surviving violent landscapes

 

maybe Armetta found a way to activate the amygdala, with unknown evils within uninhabited landscape

 

Guerrier:  ‪to be reminded that we are animals

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maybe a good thing

 

Ramos:  ‪or to be reduced to a reptilian state‬‬

 

i'm not comfortable with that

 

Guerrier:  ‪well, i would offer‬‬

 

it is not a reduction

 

it may be a trance-like mechanism to connect to an earlier self, or earlier time

 

Ramos:  ‪yes but why?‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪i don't want to go back to the reptilian either

 

we might loose art, architecture, science.‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪why not push evolution forward

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perhaps it is a way to create yet another parallel existence

 

Guerrier:  ‪maybe because it would not serve us‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪what would not serve us?‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪pushing evolution forward would not serve us.

 

it would serve the new emerging species

 

homo sapiens blahblah

 

but not us

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe Armetta is a reptilian‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪he looked human‬‬

 

‪but looks may deceive us‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪maybe that's how he knows Obama‬‬

 

Guerrier:  ‪the reptilian are in with power‬‬