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Conversation between Barbara Daniels and Olivia Ramos.

 

Barbara Daniels

 

RAMOS: Hi Barbara, thank you for joining me

 

DANIELS: Thanks for inviting me back again!

 

I am looking for a book that reminds me of the series we will be discussing

 

oh interesting, what book is it?

 

found it! it is titled Fantastic Planet

 

have you read it?

 

no, i haven't

 

it begins to describe a pet and slowly you realize the pet is really a human

 

That does sound similar to my work,

I bet I would like it

 

yes I bet you would

 

I am now looking at the piece with the ducks force feeding the children

 

Yes, it's Foie Gras!

 

It's a delicacy for the animals to enjoy

 

haha you know .... my partner doesn't eat Foie Gras because of the process.. I had no idea bout it and now it is kind of ruined for me

 

i have never tried it, but I researched it very carefully before drawing the picture

 

it is tasty

 

im sure it must be!

 

I probably won't eat it again - I was not aware before

 

and that's really what the work is about - and it's working

 

im sure the human livers would be tasty, too

 

I'm not sure I would have a problem eating a human liver

 

i am happy to hear that you became aware of this process through my art!

 

ha ha!

 

a human liver on it's own is no problem, the thought of that liver being part of a living organism that has a life sort of ruins it

 

yeah, i would also never eat a human liver, or any other part of a human

 

why not?

 

because i am a vegetarian!

 

gotcha

 

would you eat a piece of beef that was created at a lab?

 

never was an actual animal

 

oh thats an interesting question, i think i would need to understand how it was created

 

i do like the taste of meat

 

i just don't want to be a part of the cruelty surrounding meat production in today's world

 

there is a possible future in which all meats will be create in a lab

 

im not looking for a meat substitute yet, because i really enjoy vegetables and grains

 

of course, I am not trying to convert you

 

I'm just saying there is a possible solution

 

but that would certainly be a huge step forward for civilization

 

oh yes i understand

 

i recently learned how terrible meat production is for the environment

 

because of the cow farts?

 

that, and it simply requires so much land and water and resources to create the meat, compared to alternatives

 

it is not sustainable when all the people on earth decide they want to eat meat

 

and the shit of the animals pollutes the oceans

 

 i heard on a documentary recently that 80 billion animals are slaughtered every year to create food for humans

 

so there are many more animals raised as food for humans than there are humans, its madness!

 

humans are 9% of the animals we slaughter?

 

if the numbers in the documentary were correct, then thats right

 

Barbara Daniels

 

 

 

there is something interesting about the scale of the animals in you work

 

all the animals are in disproportion to the humans

 

that is the are much larger

 

yes, sometimes i need to modify the sizes of the animals in order to convey the ideas better

 

it is sometimes a challenge to make some of the ideas work

 

do you think humans are now the aggressors because of their size in comparison to all the other animals?

 

no, i dont think so

 

what do you think it is?

 

im not really sure, but i think it has something to do with humans being so disconnected with nature, especially when it comes to killing other animals to eat

 

most people are happy to turn a blind eye if they're not directly involved in the process

 

thats what i used to do, turn a blind eye to it all, but not anymore

 

yes I turn a blind eye ... it is hard to change

 

as in it is hard to find an alternative

 

i understand, it took a long time for me to realize that i wanted to change

 

but i am learning now that there are great alternatives, and for me it is the beginning of an exciting new journey in life

 

tell me about about that

 

how does one go about a new life in this case

 

well, i used to eat meat every day. Now I am discovering that there are so many delicious vegetables and other foods to eat

 

Through my research for my art i have learned about so many terrible things we as humans do, and it is nice to know that i am no longer contributing to some of those things

 

so i guess the new life in this case is changing old habits

 

some of your pieces are using humans as pets or recreation

 

 

Barbara Daniels

 

 

 

yes, my art looks at our interactions with animals in all aspects of life

 

in every scenario, i simply flip the roles of the humans and animals and see what happens

 

with the pet pictures, it seems more difficult to interpret the results, i think

 

people are often a bit stunned and confused looking at the picture of dogs breeding different kinds of humans, but this is what's happening! ...in reverse, of course

 

how would you describe your idea world? no pets and no zoo

 

definitely no zoo, i think zoos are unnecessary and strange and send the wrong message to children

 

the topic of pets is more difficult. I love cats and dogs, and they have been integrated to some extent into human culture.

 

I would just never buy pets from breeders. But I would adopt dogs and cats from a shelter. I have already done that.

 

gotcha

 

what do you see wrong with breeding ?

 

it creates unnatural animals with deformities and health problems

 

the animals suffer as a result, but we just think they look cute

 

I agree with the deformities and problems

 

not sure if I can say what is natural and unnatural

 

yes, actually it is difficult to say what is natural or not

 

 

Barbara Daniels

 

 

 

how do you move on from this series?

 

I'm not really sure, but I think I will keep doing this series for a while

 

im planning on self-publishing a book of this series of work soon

 

i just have so many more ideas that i haven't done yet, so i will just keep going until there are no more ideas!