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Conversation between Domingo Castillo and Olivia Ramos.


Kayla Delacerda

To Capitalist Poem #5, 2013

Short Film

4 min., 21 sec.

CASTILLO:  ‪hey‬‬


RAMOS:  ‪hi‬‬


‪the film is so good‬‬


have you read the poem the film is based on?‬‬


at the end of the film‬‬


the whole thing feels so wrong, letting life pass you by


knowing you can do more, if only a vague sense of it


yeah but it's also i feel this weird system


where in the ignorance of itself it's speaking so clearly about the issue


the 'repetition' felt


the fact that really, it doesn't change


we watch it not change‬‬


no change no change


‪we experience it not changing‬‬


we are paralyzed by it not changing‬‬


yeah, not knowing a way out‬‬


that’s that vague sense felt


‪i don't know... the scary part is knowing there is a way out but not doing anything about it‬‬


the vagueness


your assuming that people are aware‬‬?


and you are assuming people are asleep?‬‬


‪i think that notion is in the action of the poem itself‬‬


it's description is both an action and an awareness


more like awareness and no action‬‬


i think people don't have time to think about these things‬‬


it's not that their asleep, but the fact that there really is no time to let you mind reach a state of deep contemplation


why do you think that is?‬‬


is it this weird system you mentioned earlier?


that keeps us on the verge of survival to avoid revolution or action


well, because we've lost touch as a society to what’s actually important and what goals we need to be working towards collectively


this i think is primarily 'American' due to the nature of both the poem and the film


the film complicates it a bit because it localizes this idea into a Miami centric position


another thing of note is that Campbell teaching at FIU


teaching = teaches


so it's a nice little trail of these American situations


I would question this "Americanness" in both the film and the poem


in the film we hear the voice of a grandmother who obviously came from another country


and in the poem is a dishwasher who eats burritos every day, which suggest an immigrant as well


for me it has something to do with where they come from and adjusting to where they are


perhaps a sense of complacency because they are now in America and that's good enough


like this is not my country to change, I'm just here trying not to be where I used to be


hmm, i think that the film tries to include this idea you talk about, however it's not something that i feel is apparent in the poem


it has to do with 7-11


‪if you are not from this country, you usually want to be around people you feel connected too, i.e. other immigrants from your country. you buy goods from your country or go to restaurants


7-11 makes it very American, that burrito is a bastardization of something

it's a simulacrum


but if you are a dishwasher, 7-11 burritos might be as close as you can get to where you came from


‪i was a dishwasher‬‬


did you go to restaurants while you were a dishwasher?


not at all, i did however eat a lot of sandwiches during that time‬‬




‪at the restaurant...‬‬


‪oh shush‬‬


‪i became friends with the cooks and they would just make me food‬‬


off the books


‪the Americanness would be the idea that there are restaurants from all over the world and one can feel at home


and one can change this country because it belongs to us all


that's America


the immigrant lives another reality sometimes, like in this poem, they don't feel a part of while having a vague idea of what's going on, and get stuck in survival mode


‪i don't think thats just an immigrant problem though‬‬


‪i agree, it is more a survival problem than an immigrant problem‬‬

but it's common among immigrants


survival mode is the best way to dull the masses


keep them busy


till they reach old age and wonder what they did with their time


‪thats a good transition back into the film‬‬


looking at what actions are available to the film maker


manicure, shopping, a boat ride, forced drinking, a conversation with a grandparent, throwing burritos and duck tape


plus that beautiful shot in the supermarket where you can clearly read "produce"


Kayla Delacerda

To Capitalist Poem #5, 2013

Short Film

4 min., 21 sec.

it's that impetus thats felt (at least with me) with both the poem and the movie


the action to just say something


‪i don't get your point - the impetus for what, what is it saying?‬‬






‪say what you mean


‪to produce something creatively


to produce...something


playing with the word in every which way


‪produce something about not producing anything‬‬


‪aside from the manicure this is the second longest shot‬‬


‪i try to decode every bit of the film because i find, like poetry you have to be very considerate with what the medium gives you to work with


‪i can see that, but also, in that shot, the contrast of the frozen food and fresh food, the options we have, the actions we can take


‪it's so rich and layered


again what is the film but a response, reaction, translation of the text

how do we deal with that kind of responsibility when asked to do such a thing


‪"if not, at least with some relief."‬‬


at least...


it's good enough


i'm surviving


‪in only the vaguest way possible.‬‬


‪...because i know your love is true...


 just like i know this burrito will be here every day for as long as i live‬‬