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‬‬Ramos:  ‪so nice to have you here‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪thank you!!!‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪feels like it's been years since we've spoken at all‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪I know. ‬‬

 

I think it has been... where are you?! still on the beach?

 

Ramos:  ‪yup - working on my tan‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪glorious‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪so these images are amazing‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪thank you‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪it's like a fragmented violin‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪or a crashed boat‬‬

 

sail boat

 

Ramos:  ‪well maybe without the bows - seeing bows right next to the installation automatically give me the impression of a string instrument

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of course i am choosing to ignore the percussion sticks

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes. it is made of piano strings and boat parts‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪i see now‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪you may ignore anything you want‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪no let's be fair, so how does it work?‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪it's made of piano wire and stainless boat railings and fittings‬‬

the wires are amplified with contact mics and sent through a mixer with effects

 

‪I can choose any effect I want and any activator.. i.e., a drumstick combined with "drum amb" effect sounds very mean and industrial while a bow combined with a "chorus" effects sounds weirdly vocal‬‬

 

‪i can play to a rhythm in a musical way or make pure noise‬‬

lots of options

 

Ramos:  ‪that's fascinating - so then how do you choose? is your role like that of a conductor of synthetic sounds‬‬

 

as if the installation was a symphony - with instruments of your choosing

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes. exactly.  I wouldn't say they are infinite, but the piece offers a broad range of possibilities. I am constantly learning how to play it. ‬‬

 

I go with my ear. I go with the audience. I let the piece lead me.

 

I don't write compositions necessarily, or haven't yet. I like improvisation.

 

Learning on the job, so to speak.

 

Ramos:  ‪do you see this as inventing a new instrument?‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes and no.  ‬‬

 

I think I am making sculpture

 

activating space

 

maybe I could call it a hybrid.

 

i am interested in hybrids on all kinds of levels... material, aesthetic, conceptual, performance

 

Ramos:  ‪and sound‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪I am paying close attention to how people interact with it and understand it. I think what's new is that, really. It doesn't follow the rules‬‬

 

of course, and sound

 

Ramos:  ‪have you thought for example, of collaborating with a composer?‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪One of the artists that is performing on April 18 for Sounding Room is a composer. Luciano Chessa‬‬

 

I also worked with a performance/sound artist during the exhibition, Eli Lehrhoff, that works primarily in electronic sound. It was fantastic.

 

Ramos:  ‪so then Luciano approaches the performance as an opportunity to develop a narrative within the sounds available through the installation‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪and the objects.  ‬‬

 

throughout the course of the exhibition, the objects move and adjust according to how the artists want to interact with them

 

Sounding Room is a space for us to play together. It was intended to be that more than a static sculpture exhibition.

 

Carlisle:  ‪All the artists/participants/collaborators have some investment in sound within their individual practices.

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and.. yes to the question of narrative

 

Ramos: this is really exciting - the image that comes to mind is that of an official conductor, tuxedo and all - walking onto center stage, hitting the tripod with his conductor stick and then going crazy on the installation‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪this can happen... or a naked man can climb a mountain of wooden boxes and play a musical saw.. how knows what will happen, really?  We all have been having conversations long distance, but we don't really make the work.. create a narrative until we are together for one day before the performance.‬‬

 

there's a lot of risk involved.

 

Ramos:  ‪yes which brings me to my next questions‬‬

 

do the musicians know what sounds to expect?

 

as in which string is connected to which sound?

 

Carlisle:  ‪from my sculpture in particular?‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪yes‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪no. it's really fun to watch people discover that. I started in the studio, inviting people over for "Whiskey and Noise"... It was so fun when the room took on a life of it's own and I could just sit and watch other people's catharsis!‬‬

 

people follow their intuitions... something that is missing I think in the experience of art that is coming from academia

 

Ramos:  ‪so it is an apparatus for improvisation

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instead of an instrument in a conventional or scientific sense

 

Carlisle:  ‪It can be yes. or it can be an object with potential‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪yes i think it has a lot of potential

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electronic music is usually played via computer

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes.. I am not following the rules of music in the Pythagorean sense.. I'm breaking them‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪so this is an opportunity to move as you would with a conventional instrument while making electronic noise

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or sounds

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes, this is an acoustic instrument that is amplified electronically‬‬

and that sound can be filtered through digital processing and get even more crazy.. which is what Eli did to it live

 

Ramos:  ‪but beyond that - amplified electronically - there are synthetic sounds attached to the amplification‬‬

 

you mentions, the sound of an audience before

 

any sound can be attached

 

is that correct?

 

Carlisle:  ‪oh no.. the sound is generated from the vibration and only then is it filtered through an effects system. the strings are not attached to any recording or sample if that's what you mean‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪ok this is what you said "I can choose any effect I want and any activator.. i.e., a drumstick combined with "drum amb" effect sounds very mean and industrial while a bow combined with a "chorus" effects sounds weirdly vocal"‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes. the mixer has the effects. the signal from each of the mics goes into the mixer and then to the speakers.. ‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪so essentially, and let me see if i get this right, each string can ultimately make a different "voice" sound

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and the entire installation can be a chorus

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes, if separate strings are played simultaneously  but "chorus" as I referred to it above is a name of one of the effects... sorry.. it gets confusing‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪well innovation can be confusing at first‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪yes it can‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪i'm just fascinated by the idea of having a chorus or symphony as an installation‬‬

 

Carlisle:  ‪I have been for a while, myself. I once made a "symphony of my breath" by playing my breath sounds from a classroom full of computers.  I moved away from digital  though, because of the expense... but if I had lots of money, I would definitely move back in that direction or some combination of both digital and analog forms‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪right, i was just going ask how you see yourself moving forward

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do you imagine allowing people to have this at their home somehow - which then would leave the realm of art a bit - or perhaps it would expand it

 

Carlisle:  ‪Well, I have a lot of pots stirring right now. Emerson Dorsch and I are looking at offering smaller scale commissions for people's homes and I am applying for grant funding to do large scale works.. my grand scale dream is to fill a room with this and bring musicians/artists/composers to work with me.

 

I am interested in art as a generative and cooperative practice.. I like the idea that sculpture could be temporal, active, performative. and that it could actually produce other forms, like recordings, images like the ones I sent you, and who knows what else..‬‬

 

also, the string piece can be made for specific contexts, like "columns of air" at Vizcaya in December 2014

 

‪architecture is very important to the shape of the piece‬‬

and the sound

 

Ramos:  ‪right - the piece can become invisible‬‬ depending on the architecture

 

Carlisle:  ‪yah.. i'd love to work with an architect to design something...‬‬

 

Ramos:  ‪well....‬‬