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Conversation between Blaze Gonzalez, Willie Avendano and Olivia Ramos.

 

Blaze Gonzalez and Willie Avendano

Escapism, 2014

Video, 15 min., 49 sec.

 

RAMOS: The word Escapism has a lot of connotations

 

or rather it can be applied to situations, experiences, states of being

 

tell me about it

 

AVENDANO: I think it starts with the orientation of Andrew's space.

 

GONZALEZ: Meta Gallery

 

how do you mean?

 

Blaze and I want to thank Andrew for the opportunity

 

understandable

 

but the name - i would guess it has more to do with the video than the space

 

the video is more an abstraction of the concept of the space itself

 

So Andrew's space, really malleable

 

really? I could imagine this video being shown in any space

 

Andrew’s space was designed to be deconstructed and reconstructed

 

and that malleability came into play when trying to build some for the space

 

it is the user interaction, it is the walls of the meta gallery etc

 

I see - the video was produced for the space

 

a space that underwent many deconstructions - hence the deconstruction of the images

 

The goal was to have Escapism entrap your curiosity

 

a playful and accessible way to interact with the idea of escapism at large

 

and the title also is a play on the mythology of Knossos

 

why ancient Greece?

 

or what about it?

 

well if one is going to speak on escapism, entrapment, ect. what better way then with the idea of a labyrinth

 

do you see escapism and entrapment as synonymous?

 

or are you entrapped in the experience of escaping?

 

i see the need to escape and the sense of entrapment as two sides of the same coin

 

entrapment in the experience of escaping, nicely put

 

I can identify with that

 

And the labyrinth was an inimitable construction

 

so the experience of the space and the video are working together

 

exactly

 

i remember the space - it was labyrinth like

 

we worked with Andrew to reconfigure the space several times, to attempt to create a sense of leading the viewer to "the center" the "control center" where the midi controller lived

 

the space was even smaller than Andrew intended for other shows

 

the sound controller - how did that play into the narrative?

 

the controller helped people develop the narrative of the deconstructive nature of relations

 

the relations betweens each frame, with the music, and with the space

 

but why sound?

 

space is sound

 

sound is space

 

is that a necessary truth?

 

sound is a extra dimension of understanding truth

 

to approximate it

 

truth is never an exact science, just a highly approximated one

 

why not have the viewer interact with the images?

 

I retract my question about truth

 

i think we thought it was more fun to have people play with the narrative of the space than the space (ie the images)

 

So then what is the role of the image?

 

if the experience is focused on the space and the sound and the interaction of the two

 

the image along with the sound and space creates the narrative

 

image is more intertwined with the space

 

the video is a sort of ancient ruin for the exhibition, how is the viewer to experience the video today, without the exhibition?

 

as an ancient ruin

 

a relic of the past, or mythology

 

it's funny you say Ancient Greece and I see Egypt

 

why Egypt?

 

the pieces in the video are sharp, triangular, even the rhythm is sort of staccato

 

does that represent Egypt to you?

 

It reminded us of Pythagoras

 

its more so mysticism as a whole, geometry, ritual etc

 

the pyramids have something to do with it... but Ancient Greece is voluptuous and soft

 

and the softness is more how the sharpness comes together

 

but the labyrinth is angular

 

is the labyrinth found only in Ancient Greece?

 

no but it is a highly recognized trope

 

yea, on the island of Knossos

 

i mean there are other mazes elsewhere

 

but this one was made to entrap the monster

 

I don't know enough about the origin of the labyrinth

 

about the actual images

 

how important are they?

 

the sharpness of the minotaur and the sharpness of the emotions in an attempt to free themselves

 

sentiments of our home, ever changing

 

the images connect to us in a visceral way

 

they represent the playful, mythical and sometimes nonsensical need to escape

 

from ourselves, for our pasts

 

so, Willie and i are native Miamians

 

it was like a flash in the pan, seeing our lives flash before us

 

and this piece was really an ode to miami in a way

 

the ode was a thankful piece, to how we both can move forward in this new Miami, we are both trying to re-acclimate to

 

hmmm - is that contradicting? or overly complex? maybe not, but please explain how you combine the Greek labyrinth and an ode to Miami in one narrative

 

can you describe the narrative in one sentence?

 

narrative: We are all entrapped and wanting to escape the monster within

 

i love that - does it need Ancient Greece?

 

does it need Miami? or self referential context?

 

Miami, is a mystifying place, a place we both never thought we'd be in, this weird stasis we called home

 

"the monster within I mean"

 

is that not a universal or wordily concept?

 

it needs both because it refers to that Greek story

 

it can be, so can all art no?

 

this piece was a true collaboration

 

we both deeply connected to the mythical minotaur that Miami can be for us

 

its universal, but this story and this place was a special breeding ground for this realization

 

the entrapment can be personal, temporal, or however

 

Meta called for site specific

 

so we wanted to go all in

 

I understand

 

 "the mythical minotaur that Miami can be for us"

 

you say these very powerful statements

 

i love that

 

i love that too

 

but is it explicit in the work?

 

i want it to be

 

and maybe it is for you

 

i wouldn’t say its explicit

 

ditto

 

innate perhaps, but under a ton of eye candy

 

why the eye candy?

 

why the fluff?

 

why not get to the core?

 

Miami is the queen of fluff

 

fluff is tasty, everyone loves fluff

 

yum

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