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Conversation between Kevin Arrow and Olivia Ramos.

 

Kevin Arrow

Recent acquisition of the Perez Art Museum Miami

 

Untitled (analog/digital_5), 2013

Transparent media, Duratrans, light box

28" x 40.25" x 2.4"

ARROW:  I got hung up at OMM and then got home with an appetite so I was making vegetable curry

 

RAMOS:  hi

 

thank you for joining me

 

yep

 

the document i sent you is not for public consumption

 

i understand

 

it is a doc I wrote to better understand the options for setting the piece up

 

because the piece is a projection

 

it is rather dry and uninteresting

 

]the piece?

 

why do you say that?

 

the document not the WORK!

 

haha

 

haha

 

lets talk about the work

 

not the instructions

 

the work

 

the end product of a process which took days, weeks, months, years even

 

IS the end product

 

how many different images are within that one piece

 

never thought to count them

 

counting would interesting but then you'd have to count the combinations of pairs of images and sets of three and so on and on

 

here's a work that I still like utilizing only one image

 

 

Kevin Arrow

the Untitled (1973) was (based on found slide)

1960s Kodak slide projector modified by engineers that worked for Eastern Airlines

 

 

 

but we're discussing the PAMM piece

 

well we are discussing you

 

tell me about projection as a medium

 

it is kind of endless

 

yet you are choosing to make it sort of static

 

nostalgia?

 

nostalgia is what each viewer brings to the experience and his subjective

 

I am interested in editing and considering the variables

 

IS Subjective

 

what variables?

 

oh yeah, I am interested in the different methods of display that a work may have

 

for example?

 

beyond projection i mean

 

large or small

 

high or low

 

left or right

 

I personally am more engaged when something can be altered, adjusted, and modified.

 

but one thing one way is okay too

 

but even that will eventually give way to change

 

as in altered during it's final viewing? or rather is it in flux as the final piece?

 

always in flux

 

I am doing something on Thursday evening utilizing three projectors

 

and three different sized screens

 

all pointing at the same spot?

 

(160) 35mm slides and 16mm film

 

three screens set upon a black ornate stairway in the Moore Space

 

the room with the Zaha Hadid Elastic piece

 

what will be touched by the projections?

 

touched?

 

touched

 

what will be projected on?

 

I just emailed you a photo of the stairway

 

 

 

Kevin Arrow

Picture of Stairs at Moore Building

Miami, Florida

 

 

ah yes

 

I have been free associating, editing, looking at slides, thinking about poetry

 

because it's poetry month?

 

I am also incorporating 16mm films of Andy Warhol's screen tests from the MOMA circulating collection

 

yes, poetry month and it will apart of the John Giorno reading for O,Miami

 

so it's a small commission

 

ahh

 

I am also integrating animated 35mm slides which I made for the occasion

 

so wait

 

i'm trying to imagine this room

 

you said three projections

 

yes three

 

small screen

 

medium screen

 

large screen

 

each on a different surface?

 

yes three different screens

 

three different projectors

 

and many lenses which will give me the ability to go large and small

 

and the content within the tree projections are not related

 

yes, each on a different surface unless I choose to overlap and make layers

 

the content is related

 

related by proximity

 

and subject

 

so that's not the content - that's the location

 

or not

 

is the subject related?

 

location is content too

 

ok i can buy that

 

everything is related

 

everything is related

 

i agree

 

location

 

audience

 

content

 

sound

 

poetry recital

 

I have intentionally set up on the opposite side of the room from where the poets with read

 

and will douse the projectors during the reading

 

will "douse" the projectors?

 

turn them off

 

ok let me re-imagine this

 

ok

 

three projections are on - until the poets begin to speak?

 

correct

 

I am warming up the crowd

 

opening "act"

 

making a piece for O,Miami during National Poetry Month in honor of John Giorno

 

who incidentally is on the reel of film

 

I am showing his Warhol screen test from 1964

 

he was also the subject in the Warhol film Sleep

 

now it is starting to make sense

 

 _Sleep, _1964 premiered at the Gramercy Arts Theatre in front of an audience of nine people, only two of whom walked out.

 

I am not screening Sleep

 

but I do have a 35mm slide of a single frame from the movie

 

which kind of outdoes Warhol

 

the film of Giorno sleeping for five hours

 

i'm sure one slide is plenty

 

I like the idea of screening one single frame from Sleep in perpetuity

 

so do i

 

well the camera does move occasionally

 

Andy liked to put people through painful experiences

 

and those can sometimes be very magical

 

well I never considered his sadistic side

 

that's the only side i see

 

but yeah, you can talk for hours about Warhol

 

we don't have to

 

so the poets

 

will their poems be an homage to Giorno?

 

I like to remember the Andy eating a McDonald's hamburger or appearing on the Love Boat television show.

 

only two poets

 

one of which is John Giorno

 

here's something about that

 

oh wow - i didn't realize he would be there

 

who gets to be the other poet?

 

Ryan Van Winkle from out of town too

 

John Giorno performing in Miami is kind of epic

 

yes it is

 

I am definitely going

 

I will be having fun

 

as I have been mapping out the possibilities

 

and cannot wait to show up and do something for a few hours

 

something ephemeral

 

Kevin Arrow

Untitled (John Giorno), 2016

(2) 35mm slide projectors (160) 35mm slides, polarized slides and 16mm Film projector, Andy Warhol Screen tests Collection of the Museum of Modern Art Circulating Film Library

 

Images courtesy of Institute of Contemporary Art, Miami (ICA).

Photo: Sonja Garnitschnig.